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occasion, when Imar Conung was a young lad and he came to plunder Alba with three large troops, the men of Alba, lay and clergy alike, fasted and prayed to God and Colum Cille until morning, and beseeched the Lord, and gave profuse alms of food and clothing to the churches and to the poor, and received the Body of the Lord from the hands of their priests, and promised to do every good thing as their clergy would best urge them, and that their battle-standard in the van of every battle would be the Crozier of Colum Cille—and it is on that account that it is called the Cathbuaid 'Battle-Triumph' from then onwards; and the name is fitting, for they have often won victory in battle with it, as they did at that time, relying on Colum Cille. They acted the same way on this occasion. Then this battle was fought hard and fiercely; the men of Alba won victory and triumph, and many of the Norwegians were killed after their defeat, and their king was killed there, namely Oittir son of Iarngna. For a long time after that neither the Danes nor the Norwegians attacked them, and they enjoyed peace and tranquillity. But let us turn to the story that we began.
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Saxonland. The heathens formed themselves into four battalions: a battalion with Gothfrith grandson of Ímar, a battalion with the two jarls, and a battalion with the young lords. There was also a battalion in ambush with Ragnall, which the men of Scotland did not see. The Scotsmen routed the three battalions which they saw, and made a very great slaughter of the heathens, including Oitir and Gragabai. Ragnall, however, then attacked in the rear of the Scotsmen, and made a slaughter of them, although none of their kings or earls was cut off. Nightfall caused the battle to be broken off.
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Airther-Maighe. Patrick said to Fergus: "Though thy esteem with thy brothers is not great to-day, it is thou that shall be king. The kings of this land and of Fortren shall be from thee for ever"; and this is what was fulfilled in Aedan Mac Gabhrain, who possessed Alba by force. Patrick left many cells and establishments in the territory of Dal-Riada."
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be "across the mouth in the plain of Fortriu", which is nonsense as the the 'the mounth' is not in a plain. This identifies another problem with his translation. Monadh is used, as commonly found in placenames, can stand for a 'hill'. In this specific case, Sidlaw Hills by Glamis. Hence the first argument does no identify Morayshire with Fortrenn.
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The first argument is based a miss translation of the line "dar múna i maigh fortrenn". He writes "across the mouth to the plain of Fortriu". However, as those with knowledge of Irish know, that then preposition i followed by the dative form (i.e., maigh) it means 'in' and hence the translation would
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Sir Rhys points out the place name of Glen-fiddich (as in the whiskey) within the Banffshire, as possibly being related to the Pictish Kingdom of Fiddach. The glen in named for River Fiddich (Scottish Gaelic: Fiodhach / Abhainn Fhiodhaich). Although I suspect Fiodhach is a common enough placename,
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The second argument says that Bredei son of Beli’s first appears in the chronicles attacking on Orkney. And so “such an expedition would make sense if Bredei’s heartland lay in the north, than the south of Pictland.” However, Aedan mac Gabhrain’s first appearance in the annals is also an expedition
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FA ?733 Áed Alláin son of Fergal defeated Flaithbertach son of Loingsech, king of Ireland, in battle, so Flaithbertach brought a fleet with him from Foirtriu against Cenél Eógain. However, most of that fleet was drowned. Flaithbertach himself died in that year, and the kingship of Ireland was taken
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The third argument claims the OE. Wærteres “the first element of Wertermorum, has been recognized as deriving from a Brittonic development of ancient Uerturiones.” Hence it must mean Fortriu! Yet this placename prefix is common to southern Pictland as well as England and Wales. Whereas ME. Wateres
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FA?918 ... the men of Foirtriu and the Norwegians fought a battle. The men of Alba fought this battle steadfastly, moreover, because Colum Cille was assisting them, for they had prayed fervently to him, since he was their apostle, and it was through him that they received faith. For on another
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Under the 'location' subheading in this article, disproportionate weight is given to the hypothesis that Fortriu existed in the Moray area. The hypothesis that Fortriu existed in the Strathearn area is supported by only a single source. The latter claim should be supported in more detail with
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U918.4 The foreigners of Loch dá Chaech, i.e. Ragnall, king of the dark foreigners, and the two jarls, Oitir and Gragabai, forsook Ireland and proceeded afterwards against the men of Scotland. The men of Scotland, moreover, moved against them and they met on the bank of the Tyne in northern
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Vita tripartita Sancti Patricii says: "Patrick received welcome in the district from Erc's twelve sons. And Fergus Mor Mac Erca said to Patrick: "If I am preferred before my brothers in the division of our land, I will offer some to you." And Patrick gave to Bishop Olcan this part—i.e.,
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T686.4 The battle of Dún Nechtain was carried out on the twentieth day of the month of May, a Sunday, in which Ecfrith son of Osu, king of the Saxons, in the 15th year of his rule completed, with magna caterua of his soldiers was killed by Bruide m. Bile king of Fortriu.
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Dunkeld - Tuathal m. Artgusso, abbot of Dunkeld, was also the chief bishop of Fortriu. (Fortriu is large enough to have more than one Bishop) U865.6: "Tuathal m. Artgusso prim-epscop Fortrenn & abbas Duin Caillenn".
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U736.2 The battle of Cnoc Cairpri in Calathros at Etarlinde between Dál Riata and Foirtriu, and Talorgan son of Fergus goes in pursuit of Ainfchellach's son who had taken flight, many nobles falling in this
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U839.9 The heathens won a battle against the men of Foirtriu, and Eóganán son of Aengus, Bran son of Óengus, Aed son of Boanta, and others almost innumerable fell there.
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Life of St Columba by St Adamnan: "Having said this in presence of Brude, the king, he departed from the royal palace and proceeded to the river Nesa(the Ness);"
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U866.1 Amlaíb and Auisle went with the foreigners of Ireland and Scotland to Fortriu, plundered the entire Pictish country and took away hostages from them.
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The Chronicle of the Kings of Alba: "In his 18th. year a battle was fought at Tinemore between Constantine and Rægnald 7, and the Scots won."
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Could "Fortriu" be cognate with "Britton", "Fort-" ~ "Brit-"?? In the article on the Cruithne / Brittons, it says they were the Picts.
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Forteviot - Royal place associated with Óengus mac Fergusa (d.834) and his sons: Eoganán, Nechtan and Finguine Garb.
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U904.4 Ímar grandson of Ímar, was killed by the men of Foirtriu, and there was a great slaughter around him.
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Dupplin Cross (close to Forteviot), with an inscription to Caustantín mac Fergusa, King of Fortriu (d.820)
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Dundrun in Strathearn, Giric mac Dungal (d.899) attacks it and is slain by the men of Fortriu.
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means 'Warder' and underlines why Anglo-Saxon scholars consider OE. Wærteres to mean 'Warder'.
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to the Orkneys: AU580.2: Fecht Orc la h-Aedhan mc. Gabrain. Hence this reasoning falls apart.
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AF727 In this year Aengus, king of Fortrenn, gained three battles over Drust, king of Alban
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did Strathearn have a Forrest to rival the Caledonian Forest mentioned by Ptolemy?
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There is no evidence to associate the placement of Fortrenn in Moray-Shire.
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U693.1 Bruide son of Bile, king of Foirtriu, dies, and Alphin son of Nechtan
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Woolf's argument for Fortrenn being in modern day Moray CANNOT BE SUPPORTED
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T693.2 Bruidhe m. Bile king of Fortriu dies, and Ailpin son of Nechtan.
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Dunkeld - "Founded" by Caustantín mac Fergusa, King of Fortriu (d.820)
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St Andrews - "Founded" by Óengus mac Fergusa King of Fortriu, (d.834)
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Pictish kinglist: "Drest f. Constantin et Talorc f. Uuthoil, 3 years"
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672-693 Bruide son of Bile, i.e., son of the King of Strathclyde
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No, that's phonologically impossible. The Old Celtic form of
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Places associated in the records with the Kings of Fortriu
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U820.3 Constantine son of Fergus, king of Fortriu, dies.
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FA 693 Kl. Bruide son of Bile, king of Foirtriu, died.
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U834.1 Aengus son of Fergus, king of Foirtriu, dies.
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