Talk:Fandom (website)/Archive 1

575:. To answer your question, "isn't that true of any site?", I would say it's true of any site where the co-owners of the for-profit site are also board members of the not-for-profit site. It's time that the community either stand up against this kind of conflict of interest, or grow up and admit that conflicts of interest are not necessarily going to cripple the mission of Knowledge (XXG). Many of us can be reasonable and intelligent contributors, even when we have a personal or financial interest in the article mainspace. Obviously, by their existence and the traffic behavior that you speak of, outbound Wikia links are "helpful" to the average Knowledge (XXG) user. But, to say they don't carry with them a gross conflict of interest is nothing but naive. -- 31: 505:

conflict of interest, or not. I think it does, but I also think that the Knowledge (XXG) community's reaction is that Wales "deserves" this kind of financial support, for all he's done to personally create and nurture Knowledge (XXG). It's not a bad argument, in some respects. But, I think that certain claims of "conflict of interest" that are being leveled with such indignity against PR firms (the

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Knowledge (XXG) because we try to guilt visitors into making donations? Should websites be charging Knowledge (XXG) for providing content for them to link to? Bandwidth, servers and staff aren't free, after all. $ 15,000 probably covers how much time has been spent dealing with vandals that come over from Knowledge (XXG) to Wikia. :-)

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The exact location is private information that has no place in an article. 2nd Ave S is not an office address and Wikia never owned an office in Menlo Park. The move to San Mateo was approximately November 2006, but please don't use this talk page as a source. If that's not been written elsewhere, it

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It depends on what the wiki is, whether the whole community want to leave or only part of them, whether there is any demand to keep it open, the reasons for leaving, whether the community asked for the old one to be closed, and so on. Wikia itself can't be a competitor if there is no community on the

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The press coverage has been a comedy of errors. Wikiasari was not and is not the intended name of this project... the London Times picked that off an old wiki page from back in the day when I was working on the old codebase and we had a naming contest for it. Nice name, though, so we might as well

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I don't think you should use this talk page as a source. I was saying things to point out the article was wrong, not suggesting my text should be included. "blown out of proportion by the press" is my personal opinion, not a citable fact. There is nothing from a reliable source that is true on this,

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probably prevents me fixing: Wikia uses advertising from a number of providers now, not just AdSense, so the first paragraph is wrong. The part about the GFDL is also wrong since we accept a number of GNU and CC licenses, not just the GFDL. The red links in the "Active Wikia sites" section should be

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Not surprising that the co-owner of Wikia.com wouldn't "see how it's a conflict of interest". So, we are establishing as policy, then, that there is no conflict of interest in having Knowledge (XXG) links to your own for-profit site, just as long as the links are placed by people who don't stand to

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When Jimbo or Angela start using their influence in decisions regarding the suitability of links to Wikia sites, or start treating such links preferentially in comparison to similar sites (that is, other wikis or community sites that have similar free content policies) then it might become an issue.

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stats on the most visited Wikia, so this section can't be verified anymore. It should probably be removed. Of the wikis we're tracking via Google adsense (which isn't all of them, but probably includes the top 5), the top 5 for February were Star Wars, Dofus, Muppet, Furry, and Doom, but those stats

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For example to provide context for these questions, consider what would happen if the Wikimedia Foundation, a local Linux user group or group of open source software authors had initially hosted at Wikia and then wanted to move to their own server. The answers should help to clarify what description

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The conflict of interest question should be addressed by examining Knowledge (XXG)'s IRS Form 990 return, which is a public record. There's a place there where officers and directors have to report connections with related for-profit organizations. Unfortunately, my GuideStar account isn't working

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Whether or not this constitutes a conflict of interest (whatever it is), nothing can stop users from posting external links to whatever sites they like, including, but not limited to, Wikia. I think the people running Wikia and Wikimedia can decide what's good and what's bad for them better than us

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I don't see how it's a conflict of interest considering the only people now involved in Wikimedia and Wikia are Jimmy and Michael and neither of them are adding Wikia links to Knowledge (XXG). Click through rates are not even close to 1.5, so you're overestimating the effect these links have. Many

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There are a lot of links from Knowledge (XXG) to Wikia because the more-developed Wikia sites are usually great places to find detailed information on the topics that they cover. Often the only reason the content is not in Knowledge (XXG) to begin with is that Wikipedians themselves would vote (or

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The article currently says that Wikia offers hosting. One key aspect of hosting is that you can switch host. Does Wikia provide for full database dumps of all information needed to move to another host, including their user and password data so the community membership and GFDL history information

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when you are being paid by an entity to write an article about them, just as it is hard to assume that a person will write the absolute truth if they write an article about themselves. Everyone has bias, of course, but it's a matter of degree - how many PR firms wouldn't tell a few white lies or

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I'd say that 1.5% clicking on an ad might be overkill, but I don't know Wikia's ad stats to be sure. But, I have to ask - isn't that true of any site? Questions of verifiable content aside, should we avoid linking to Geocities pages? To official sites for software? Should people avoid linking to

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They can copy the content. They can't take the user passwords. They can request the old wiki be locked/removed/left open/redirected/whatever and Wikia would consider that request, but not be bound by it. The most important points to note are that there are no owners of individual Wikia, and what

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the company moved from St. Petersburg, Fla., to Menlo Park, Calif. Since then it seems that the company has moved again, a few towns north on the San Francisco Peninsula to San Mateo. When did this occur? Also, it doesn't seem that there is more specific information about the location of the

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Here is where we currently stand... some servers are being ordered, and I am happy to give access to developers who I know personally or who come recommended by someone I know personally. I know a lot of people, so if you know anyone who is anyone in the free software world, that's not a huge

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I'm not asking about whether it was sanctioned or endorsed (of course it wasn't a deliberate scheme). Nonetheless, a non-profit entity is inadvertently helping to financially power a for-profit company, both of which have key personnel sitting in both places. I'm asking if that constitutes a

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I Have a Wiki called the Ultimate In Living Color Guide wiki. And i'v been looking for a way to make it larger(like the star wars wiki or unencyclopedia)I only have one wiki running(My other wiki the mets one i closed)and i would like to expand it how can i expand it and how can i get it to be

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I don't think I should make any significant edits to this page myself, but the list of Wikia section is never likely to remain up to date. We're already getting a few new wikis a day. I suggest the following be used instead, which gives just the most visited wikis, rather than all of them.

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Does Wikia provide for full database dumps of all information needed to move to another host, including their user and password data so the community membership and GFDL history information required for such a move will be available to the owners of the project being hosted by Wikia?

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inbound traffic and click-through figures. Lastly, I'm glad to see that 2700 outbound links from Knowledge (XXG) is "actually very small", so I can just present that quote when an admin deletes any of the 7 or 8 links that other people may have pointed to my own for-profit site.

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Now we use the Knowledge (XXG) article talk space for Wikia's (for-profit) customer support? How long before MySpace starts using its Knowledge (XXG) talk space as a customer support forum? It boggles the mind. And MyWikiBiz.com has an unacceptable conflict of interest? Hah.

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have voted) it out for lack of general-purpose notability. It's not as if people don't go the other way, either: every other WikiFur article links to Knowledge (XXG) at least once, and often more than once, because Knowledge (XXG) is a good source of general-purpose information.

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The answers should help to clarify what description is appropriate - seems pretty unlikely that hosting, at least without lots of qualifications, is accurate from what I've seen, since the owner lacks much of the control which is generaly associated with a hosting situation.

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Jimbo may own Wikia, but the wikis themselves are created and maintained by people like me - often the same people that insert links to them. Indeed, the content is generally only there because Wikipedians themselves have said that they do not want that kind of stuff

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The Free content page at Wikia says both that the content must be "available for reuse under a free content licence" and that "all of the content on these sites is licensed under the GFDL". Which is correct? Must it be GFDL or can it be any free content license?

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which relate to my work. That doesn't make them bad articles or bad wikis, though, and likewise I don't think Wikia is a bad thing, even if it is intended to cover its costs through commercial means (I very much doubt that they are actually doing so yet).

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What parts we might end up using of this old code, I don't yet know. Since I was doing that work, Nutch and Lucene have matured immensely and frankly, there is a lot of stuff that my code did not even contemplate doing which is now possible.

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Okay, you got me -- an admittedly weak argument on my part. Still, it was fun to be indignant about something that amounts to about the same level of "conflict of interest" that MyWikiBiz might have with writing NPOV articles about clients.

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For example to provide context for these questions, consider what would happen if the Wikimedia Foundation, a local linux user group or group of open source software authors had initially hosted at Wikia and then wanted to move to their own

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There are some seriously bad characters in these links, causing them to be visible (at least in my browser, Safari). Can someone with more international experience than I have go to those editions of Knowledge (XXG) to help fix the links?

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commericial sites are linked to from Knowledge (XXG) so it's hardly anything out of the ordinary that Wikia would be linked as well. There are over 19000 links to Amazon.com (and that's not including the indirect links via the

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is appropriate - seems pretty unlikely that hosting, at least without lots of qualifications, is accurate from what I've seen, since the owner lacks much of the control which is generally associated with a hosting situation.

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and it seems quite similar to Wikia which also provides facility to create Wiki Format web site on Wikia Servers, so how are they are different, can anyone pls list the differences. Vjdchauhan 13:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

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Could you ask Gil how he got that number? I took it to mean advertising for Wikia Inc, not any of the projects, not public relations, not any of the equipment used in creating the advertising. Would that be correct? --

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ought to be examined in light of other inherent conflicts of interest that are apparently allowed to stand (though not officially sanctioned or endorsed). Similarly, is there a conflict of interest when a PR firm like

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avoid looking too closely at their client's business if it meant they could put bread on the table? I suspect only those with the highest established reputation and a long string of quality articles would be accepted.

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I, for one, think the accusation is baseless. Just because Wikia is (probably) the largest and most popular wiki hosting in the world and there are a lot of links from Knowledge (XXG) to the hosted wikis (like

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offices. I suppose that as a private company, there is no reason for them to divulge this information, but Alexa does seem to have the location of the original offices (which may or may not still be valid)

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The content is available for download. User data is not. This would obviously be a huge security risk and privacy violation. I don't believe password information would ever be necessary to comply with the

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when they employ others to do so - people who have no particular knowledge of the company's activities other than what they have been told - the intent of the editor becomes a big issue. It is hard to

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Regarding the fifth point, I didn't know if the fact Wikia didn't intend to relaunch this site was supposed to be public, or if the company was going to pretend it was their intention all along. --

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user database. A user may quite legitimately be on a totally different wiki and still be using the same name as yours here. I'm afraid you're probably going to have to choose another nickname.

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does pro bono work for the Wikimedia Foundation (pre-publicity of Wikimania 2006 event), but was allowed to create and edit its own article in Knowledge (XXG), which is strongly discouraged in

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When I was asking for clarification earlier, I was intending to write a two paragraph blurb on Wikinews about Wikia announcing how low its spending was, and use that as a source. --

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This isn't true at all. Wikicities didn't become Wikia until after we got the first round of investment in January 2006. "Wikiasari" came from a naming contest in November 2004.

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This is wrong. It only searches Knowledge (XXG) and the sites linked from it, not Wikia and not the other Wikimedia projects (except those linked from Knowledge (XXG)).

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No, he didn't. He made a passing comment that search would be interesting which was blown out of all proportion by the press. Wikiasari has nothing to do with it.

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No, Wikicities did not. Wikicities was the name of the wiki hosting project (now called Wikia) which was separate from the search project (then called Wikia)

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directly benefit from the profits? Got it. Also, it was interesting that Angela would squash the "1.5% ad click" rate, but she doesn't disclose the

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This seems quite irrelevant to the article. It's just a small thing we're testing. Wikisearch is only a working name for it, not something permanent.

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I want to create a wiki, but someone has taken my name on the wikia site. That user has no contributions. Can I get my wikipedia name on wikia?--

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putting the word out than would be accounted for by $ 5.74 - that's probably just their Google AdWords costs. And besides, they're not counting

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One key aspect of hosting is that one person owns the site and has responsibility for that hosting agreement. This isn't the case within Wikia.

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An error: In the first paragraph, it is said that wikia spent $ 5.74 on such and such. It should probably be "$ 5.74 million" or something.

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That tool is a severe underestimate, by the way. I always use interwiki links when linking to Wikia, and it does not appear to count them.

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If a project chooses to leave Wikia, would Wikia continue to host it, effectively becoming a competitor to the project it formerly hosted?

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If a project chooses to leave Wikia, would Wikia continue to host it, effectively becoming a competitor to the project it formerly hosted?

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Wikia offers is really not a traditional form of hosting, but a means of supporting communities who want to make use of wiki technology.

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Sheesh - the guy asked a question, and it was answered. That doesn't exactly make this an customer support channel. I don't even

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It certainly wasn't $ 5.74 million! It seems a silly thing to quote considering how many factors it isn't taking into account.

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so you need to choose bewteen using reliable sources and writing incorrect information, or not including that information.

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Can the owner of a project hosted by Wikia also use a public domain non-license or other licences in addition to the GFDL?

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Of course, I have my own conflicts of interest, and I suspect most Wikipedians do, too. I founded WikiFur, co-founded the

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Can the owner of a project hosted by Wikia also use a public domain non-license or other licences in addition to the GFDL?

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Here's what Jimmy Wales has said in response to the news stories about "a new search engine, funded by Amazon" etc etc.

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It wasn't, as far as I know. It had more hits than normal that day, but I'm not aware of any downtime on April 25th.

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I could, but an email from Gil wouldn't be a reliable source for this article, so I don't see how it's relevant.

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We have an old codebase of mine from when I was working on this kind of concept a couple of years ago, at

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As to your views - I am personally not opposed to people writing about the companies and suchlike that

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Goodness, massive buzz in the news and blogosphere this weekend, including some very confused stuff.

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they spent. If you find a quote from a some expert that calls that a lie, you can put it in.

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required for such a move will be available to the owners of the project being hosted by Wikia?

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Initial reports, however, relied primarily on many half-truths and complete fabrications.

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It was actually just the software that was called Wikiasari. The project was always Wikia.

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wiki. Our aim is to support communities, not to cause ill feelings by competing with them.

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I'm showing downtime right now, as well. Main wikia and subdomains, as far as I can tell.

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Wales launched. When he decided to rename Wikicities as Wikia, the Wikia search engine

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I see absolutely no reason to have separate articles for the company and its website.

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No, it isn't a Wikia. It's a sister project of Wikia. We don't currently have accurate

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Undoubtably it's all part of Jimbo's sinister plot to earn money from Knowledge (XXG).

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It doesn't matter how much Wikia spent. The article, correctly, reports what they

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In fall 2006, Wikia asked viewers of its site to become beta testers of Wikisearch

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Please answer the following questions to help clarify some aspects of the article:

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doesn't need a "Yahoo! (site)" and "Yahoo! (company)" article, why should wikia?

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Yes, but we host communities, not websites, which does lead to some differences.

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removed since it's likely those articles would be deleted if they were created.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Doesn't matter if it's true as long as it was written in a newspaper. Oh dear.

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Can someone clarify the location of Wikia's headquarters? According to this

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I think it's it original research to say what the press interpreted it as.

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This was on the Wikimedia mailing list and has nothing to do with Wikia.

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Until then, even if it is a conflict of interest, I don't see an actual

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against Kellen Communications, for one) and content-for-pay firms like

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Could someone please comment on the notion presented in this comment:

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recognized. Also I am having trouble putting up my logo for my wiki

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I've removed the list since it was unverifiable (and innaccurate).

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I agree. Wikia, the site, is clearly Wikia, Inc.'s prime focus.

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The investment was from Amazon, not from Jeff Bezos personally.

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I removed the following interwiki links from the article:

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No, the figure is accurate, albeit somewhat misleading.

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One key aspect of hosting is that you can switch host.

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The article currently says that Wikia offers hosting.

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tonight, and I can't retrieve the needed Form 990.--

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The five most visited Wikia, as of 13 January, 2005

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