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speculation rather than actually consulting the local people about why they used this term (today, probably many local people would not know, and except in places heavily saturated with tourists, would not intentionally use the term in a disparaging way... although they might if a "farang" upset them sufficiently, but even then it would be more the other words accompanying like "stupid" or "crazy" that would be the disparaging part, not the "farang" portion). Japanese people are much more aware of the nature of the term "gaijin", but even they mostly don't intend to insult when using it, and foreigners don't seem to generally be offended by it, even publishing their own magazine called "Gaijin" and referring to themselves as such, even though the term means "foreign devil". So it is interesting if people are offended by "farang" but not "gaijin", when the latter was always intended clearly as an insult, while the former was just intended as a means of reference, because in Thai the word "foreigner" wasn't specific enough. I still do not view "negro" as a slur unless it is intended to be one, and it should be reasonable to use it in appropriate ways (also banning the word would cause a lot of problems in the Spanish language). Also funny is that Nestle openly uses the word Eskimo as an ice cream brand in Thailand, and I don't think in Thailand there is general awareness that it could potentially be considered a slur.
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and refered specifically to Vikings. Vikings during the 9th and 10th century travelled up the rivers of Eastern Europe both for trade, pirating and mercinary activities to the Black and Caspian Seas. They were so respected as fiersome warriors (as well as traders) that they were invited to form an elite guard (Palace Guard)for the Basilus of Bysantium in Constantinople. This was on the grounds that they were less likely to be embroiled in the internal politics of the state and hence trustworthy. The Swedes refered to themselves as 'Varrangjar' or 'Varrangi' from the greek, while the Danes and Norwegians prefered 'Vikingr'. Hence the name for the elite troops of Byzantium as the Varangian Guard. Other persian and arab traders they met and did business with probably also refered to them as 'varangi' or 'farangi'. Since the Franks looked very similar (ethnically similar) and were the only other 'white northern folk' to be present in the area at the time both the Franks and the Varangjar were probably termed Ferengi - traders (with weapons).
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categorized under "ethnic slurs" but the word is rarely used as a slur and this catgegorization has a lot of foreigners quite upset for no reason, because they believe it is a slur, when in fact light skin is revered in Thailand and light skinned foreigners are usually looked up to, except in those areas where a lot of badly behaved foreigners tend to congregate and sour the opinions of locals toward them (and unfortunately innocent people who do no wrong, guilt by association). However this is mostly restricted to tourist zones and the Issan region. It's completely false to think that you are regarded as being inferior in any way due to having light colored skin. There is a slur for foreign people, but it's never used for people that have light skin, just as "farang" should not be used for those with dark skin, because the word does not mean "foreigner".
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Italian speakers dominated seaborne commerce in the port cities of the Ottoman empire. Franca was the Italian word for Frankish. Its usage in the term lingua franca originated from its meaning in Arabic and Greek, dating from before the Crusades and during the Middle Ages, whereby all Western Europeans were called "Franks" or FARANJI in ARABIC and PHRANKOI in GREEK during the times of the late Eastern Roman Empire. The term lingua franca is first recorded in English in 1678.
361:"Farang ta nam khao" Th: āļāļĢāļąāđˆāļ‡āļ•āļēāļ™āđ‰āļģāļ‚āđ‰āļēāļ§) means blue-eyed farang, according to my wife. The Thai language is one that has had trouble distinguishing blue from green. The default word for Blue was recently āļŠāļĩāļ™āđ‰āļģāđ€āļ‡āļīāļ™ literally, the colour of silver, a poetical reference to the silvery sheen of the deep blue sea. It now means Navy Blue, and the default word is now āļŠāļĩāļŸāđ‰āļē literally, the colour of the sky, acording to 102: 81: 294: 228: 112: 50: 218: 191: 1388:"Frankish and Muslim relations were broad and diverse, the relationship was somewhat uneasy with many Muslim states waging a counter-crusade or "Jihad" (Holy war in Arabic), against the Crusaders. A large portion of this was not based on religion but instead was based on general territorial disputes. Muslim realms fought wars against each other just as the crusaders. 21: 1392:
Historical Palestine were all majority Christian, with the majority of the Christians belonging to the most common Syriac orthodox church, Armenian church, or the Eastern Orthodox Church, in contrast the Crusaders practiced almost exclusively Catholicism and therefor relations even with Christians was largely unstable."
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Thank you for the clarification and feedback. I guess you are right about that part, but the article is still having some bias or misinformation on the basis that it attempts to explain the origins of the term from a foreign perspective, and I am guessing the sources mainly based their conclusions on
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I can't speak for the portions that deal with Indian and Maldivian language, but everything about the origins of "farang" in Thai is nonsense. The real reason the word farang is used to describe white skinned foreigners is because the flesh of a guava (farang) is very blindingly white. Also this is
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The original Lingua Franca was a mixed language composed mostly (80%) of Italian with a broad vocabulary drawn from Turkish, French, Spanish, Greek and Arabic. It was in use throughout the eastern Mediterranean as the language of commerce and diplomacy in and around the Renaissance era. At that time,
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I am inclined to believe that Farang is from the persian 'farangi', 'foreigners'and spread eastwards along Muslim trade routes. I also believe that this may have originally come from the old greek 'hoi barrangoi'. This word refered to ' traders that provide security for their part in the bargain'
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When Siam first open its door to trade with Europeans in Ayutthaya period, a land was given to the Portuguese merchants to conduct their business at "Baan Faraang" (Guava Village, these is a common naming conventions of village to name the locale by what ever is in abundance there) Thus the Europeans
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First and foremost the scope of the article needs to be agreed upon. It was originally exclusively about the Thai use of the word, but was later edited to add stuff about historical uses in several languages, resulting in the current jumbled mess. I suggest it should be reverted back to the original
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However there was a general hatred and distrust towards the Crusaders, not due to religious differences, but instead the crusaders had committed a large amount of massacres, and forced conversions against the general population. Even before the Crusader invasion the territories of Syria, Lebanon and
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After a couple of hours of research on google scholar and going to obscure academic site I have found a large amount of information. This article has some pretty big issues, I hope we can fix with more time in common cooperation, there has been fantastic input from different peoples, but its obvious
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in other languages. The section currently titled "Name" should be "Etymology" and then a section about its use in Thai culture followed by sections about its doublets and their use in other cultures. I understand that might seem like a bunch of work, but if your not willing to do it, then it should
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I would agree that the Thai word should be the primary subject. The Persian word is archaic and Thai word is not. I simply feel that reverting to the 2018 version would be deleting sourced content just because you do not like it. You are welcome to rewrite the lead, making it shorter, presenting it
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There is no such thing as Indo-Persian only Farsi which was the official language of the cour under Mughals, Turks and Afghans. Thus the word Farangi is a Farsi word which was used for the British among Muslims, particularly Afghans inpresent Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. Non-Muslims along with
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Generally speaking, Knowledge would not normally have separate articles for specific word etymologies, no matter how we established. (That would be for wiktionary.) I also don't see any "significant cultural aspect" which goes much further than the etymological one? And the etymological story only
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as far as I can tell. The lead could make it more clear that "farang" as a Persian word is not in use, but its descendants are. It would also be useful to have more sub-sections. Rather then just "South Asia" and "Southeast Asia", break it down by country or cultural region or simply by language.
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then? In the first paragraph "āļ—āļģāđ„āļĄāļ–āļķāļ‡āđ€āļĢāļĩāļĒāļāļ§āđˆāļēāļ•āļ°āļ§āļąāļ™āļ•āļ" ("Why it is called West") it is written: ... āđ€āļĢāļē āđ€āļĢāļĩāļĒāļ āļŠāļēāļ§āļ•āļ°āļ§āļąāļ™āļ•āļ āļ•āđˆāļ­āđ€āļĄāļ·āđˆāļ­ āđ€āļ‚āļē āđ€āļ›āđ‡āļ™ āļ„āļ™ āļāļĢāļąāđˆāļ‡ āđ€āļŠāđˆāļ™ āļŠāļēāļ§āļĒāļļāđ‚āļĢāļ› āļŠāļēāļ§āļ­āđ€āļĄāļĢāļīāļāļąāļ™ āļŠāļēāļ§ āļ­āļ­āļŠāđ€āļ•āļĢāđ€āļĨāļĩāļĒ āļĨāđ‰āļ§āļ™ āđ€āļĢāļĩāļĒāļ āļ§āđˆāļē āļŠāļēāļ§āļ•āļ°āļ§āļąāļ™āļ•āļ ("we call westeners Farang, for example Europeans, Americans, Australians - all are
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1688, Jan - The French soldiers become increasingly unpopular with the Thais due to their display of racist and insolent attitudes. Anti-foreign organizations are born and the religious prejudices of the people are likewise aroused. It should be noted that the term used by Thais until today for
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Sounds biased, emotional, prejudicial and racist. "Many farangs...marry...ugly women". I'm a white American and I can understand your rage, and thanks for proving whites are not the only people capable of racism--and opposing mixed-raced marriages is racism. In any case this article is for the
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Maan farang (potatoes) and mhak farang (chewing gum) with the word farang refer to something imported. Since there are different Maan (another potato type) and Mhak (chewing stuff) in Thailand before, so when the potatoes and chewing gums were introduced in Thailand, they're assigned the name
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A wide-spread belief in Thailand is that the word "farang" (Caucasian) is derived from the French word "francais". This derivation is implausible on phonetic and historical grounds. It is in fact a popular misconception. It is true, however, that these words have the same ultimate source.
1434:, which mentions this article. It is a strange article. Why does it focus on Persian when the term Frank for western Europeans is used in most languages (including English) when referring to crusaders, and had a lasting effect not only on Persian but also for example on Arabic and Greek. 643:
Sounds like an advertisement for Christopher Moore to me? His books are from the perspective of a foreigner living in Thailand. This article is about a Thai word for people like that, not about the people themselves, nor about their perspectives. Any resistance to removing this section?
1161:. My understanding is that it's not those who coin or use a racial / ethnic epithet who determine whether it's disparaging. Rather, it's the people the epithet is used to describe who decide this. Other epithets not intended to be disparaging were "negro", "Chinaman", and "eskimo". 326:
we heard that "farang" means 'longnose' and was applied to all caucasians. then because of the many french in indochine, their country 'france' was called 'farangset' = 'land of the longnose'. āļ•āļēāļ™āđ‰āļģ (dtaa nam) = spring, natural fountain; mouth of a spring; subterranean course of
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Thai most likely borrowed the word from influential Muslim Persian or Indian traders in the 17th century or even earlier. The Persian word was "farangg". The term probably was used to refer to early Portuguese traders and subsequently to all Europeans (ie., non-Muslims).
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It is possible that the Thai word "farangset" ("French") is a blend of the word "farang" and the French word "francais", ie., "farangset" is actually derived from "farang", not vice versa. Certainly, the word "farang" existed prior to, and independently of, "farangset".
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Farangset is just a coincidence. I will see if I can find it again. Also kee nok refers more to someone being stinchy. Bird shit is white! Hence it is used more to refer to a white foreigner being stinchy. Thais themselves will say Kee niauw.
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scope, since the term's notability stems from its uses in Thai society. The etymology can be condensed into a single section. If the Persian or other-language words need to be discussed in-depth, they belong in a separate article. --
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The word is attested in various forms in languages in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. It is clear that the word orginated as "Frank" in Europe and spread eastwards along Muslim trade routes.
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aiming to provide a wider and more detailed coverage on countries and areas of the encyclopedia which are notably less developed than the rest. If you would like to help improve this and other Thailand-related articles, please
1044:. For instance, āļ‚āļĩāđ‰āđƒāļŦāļĄāđˆāļŦāļĄāļēāļŦāļ­āļĄ (khee mai maa haawm) derives from a dog's sensible habit of sniffing fresh waste to assess the animal that dropped it, but in humans means to dog fashion (not "A new broom sweeps clean.") -- 489:
As the diskussion is still going on, I'd like to cite from my post above Mr. Gwyn Williams, Department of Linguistics, Faculty of Liberal Arts, Thammasat University what he wrote back in March 1994 in the usenet grout
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It would be better if the map only highlighted countries with mostly European-descended citizens. Right now it looks like most farang come from China, but a Chinese person would never be thought of as a farang.
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Reading the Etymology section on the "Lingua franca" article of wikipedia, I couldnt help but notice there is research pointing to different words in Arabic and Greek. The Etymology sub-section follows:
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I find myself agreeing with both positions: "farang" existed prior to, and independently of, "farangset"; amongst Muslims, the Franks had already given it a bad odor; then the "farangset" in the time of
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western foreigners is farang, an abbreviation of the original farangse - the Thai word for the French (Francais in French). The term farang had a negative connotation until after World War II.
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when reading this that large parts of the article has broken grammar. Try to use as extremely direct phrases as possible. "The kingdoms fought" instead "The kingdoms engaged in hostilities".
880:. Well, as this Thai article has nothing to do with "The Westerner" but goes about "Inhabitants of the Western World", I changed the Interwiki link accordingly. Sorry for me being so dumb. -- 1362:
I did it myself, feel free to improve my edits if you would like to, the second section of the Lead article grammar is still broken but I will fix that later or maybe you could. Thanks.
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I cannot find it at the moment, but I have read in different places that the word Farang dates back much farther then the 17th century and that it comes from other words. Francais -: -->
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I've read somewhere that it's actually derived from the Persian word mentioned here, which is in turn derived from a similar-sounding Arabic word derived from "Frank"(i.e. the Franks).
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some Indian Muslims are still using the old woprd for a white person i.e. Gora. Muslims also used the term Britanvi i.e. British and this label is nowadays used in Urdu for UK citizen.
1521:, and the connection to the Persian term and its other derivatives is weak and poorly established. The persian word would be much better covered as a separate topic, if at all. -- 1513:, the answer would be that the term in the Thai context is a well established one, with a significant cultural aspect to it, and is covered in numerous publications. As for 409:
I haven't got anything on my hands at the moment, but if you can read Thai, check out high school history text books, (it's been a while since I've seen one of those) --
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https://www.webcitation.org/6YpQxWRbF?url=http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2015/05/black_in_thailand_we_re_treated_better_than_africans_and_boy_do_we_hate.html
797:? This page has nothing to do with those Farang from our article, its just a disambiguation, and deals with Guave, French and France. So why should we link to it? -- 1270: 1266: 1252: 134: 1236: 1536:
seems a tiny bit notable if it is connected to words in other languages? In short, I still don't really see any justification for this article's existence. --
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stay as it is. As for deleting the article, I would be neutral. I have never understood what makes a word significant enough to warrant an article. Per
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The species occurs in tropical waters of the Indo-West and Central Pacific. It is found in coastal and sandy reef areas in depths to 80 m.
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Adult Painted Sweetlips are blue-grey with yellow to golden spots on the head, body and fins. The spots on the head often form lines.
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Mr. Gwyn Williams Department of Linguistics Faculty of Liberal Arts Thammasat University March 26, 1994
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The species is related to the Slate Sweetlips (D. labiosum). Another species with yellowish spots is the Gold-spotted Sweetlips.
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As mentioned two sections above, this article was originally about the Thai term, until it was hijacked by an IP editor
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Sweetlips at a depth of 30 m, Maewo Island, Asanvari Bay, Vanuatu, July 2003. Photo: E. SchlÃķgl. View larger image.
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I've added it to the article, giving them as alternative explanations. I suspect they're both just best guesses.
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This article is simply horrible. There are many useless repetitions, the grammar is not always correct. Thanks.
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Hence the Malay, Khmer, Thai, Lao, Hindi derivations of the Persian adaption of both Varagis and Franks.
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as a Thai word but should include that the word derives from the archaic Persian word and that it has
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of any kind, including waste of time and wasteful habits. English has such a shitty attitude toward
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are referred to as Farangs ever since. I'll put this in to the article if nobody would dispute it.
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Thanks for the comments. I'll consider a more substantial clean-up effort if/when I have time. --
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Please do not revert without establishing consensus. The section titled "Southeast Asia" has the
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is the best interwiki. It's the page to the name, and show what other acceptations of the word.
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But I think that raises the question of why WP should have an article about a Thai word.--
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Maybe someone would like to add, edit, to make the Farang article more complete ?
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that neither terms are in my collegiate dictionary, and that biases definitions of
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meaning and origin of the term, not personal viewpoints. I hope this gets fixed.
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And what is the difference between "Westerner" and "Farang"? BTW: did you check
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The Painted Sweetlips feeds on bottom-dwelling invertebrates and small fishes.
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lists its decedents and each could be more prominently mentioned in the lead.
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seems to have a range of meanings; I've updated the article to reflect that.
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is something else, and the page refers to films, series and newspaper ...
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named articles. Since there is no specific article for the expression,
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only to illiterate foreigners. For a Royal Institute reference to
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If you're interested in the rest of the conversation, it is
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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It grows to about 1 m in length, but is common to 45 cm.
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Wow, now I know what you mean: the Interwiki link from
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