782:Таким событием, с моей точки зрения, стала Коллегия федеральной службы безопасности, которую провел президент В.Путин, и в которой приняли участие все важнейшие чиновники страны. А это глава администрации президента Сергей Собянин, заместитель главы администрации Игорь Сечин, помощник президента Виктор Иванов, глава Контрольного управления Александр Беглов, генеральный прокурор Юрий Чайка, министр внутренних дел Рашид Нургалиев, директор Федеральной службы охраны Евгений Муров, директор СВР - это разведка, Сергей Лебедев, руководитель Госнаркоконтроля Виктор Черкесов. Руководитель Федеральной службы по финансовому мониторингу Виктор Зубков, руководитель Главного управления спецпрограмм президента Александр Царенко, глава Счетной палаты России Сергей Степашин, председатель Верховного суда России Вячеслав Лебедев. Прошу прощения за столь длинное перечисление фамилий, оно просто показывает – не путайте, это было не заседание правительства, это была Коллегия Федеральной службы безопасности. Так вот этот список, конечно, показывает, сколь важное ключевое место в сегодняшней политике России играет наследница КГБ, Федеральная служба безопасности. Кстати, среди приглашенных на заседание этого теневого, или кто-то говорит - второго, первого - кому как больше нравится – правительства России, был приглашен и председатель Комиссии по контролю за деятельностью силовых структур Общественной палаты Анатолий Кучерена. Правда, лишь на телевизионную часть заседания. Потом контролера от кремлевской общественности попросили вон.
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will become involved if neccisary). If on the other hand you do the same thing for a U.S. group, say your a 'spy' for a radical hate group in the deep south, or a thug for a religious militant or antigovernment fringe group in the northwest, the FBI and its ilk are responsible for you (local, state police, etc). Though again, the agencies post 911 do communicate with each other much more efficiently, although still not perfectly. Since they often compete for federal funding, their is still some benefit to trying to keep as much in your agencies 'camp' as possible depending on how legislative whims and funding change. The important thing to understand however is the U.S. divides it's agencies into those focues on external threats, and internal ones, where as many countries simply use one agency. The U.S. method is seen as superior for seperation of power, however it isn't always as ideal because that same seperation can mean a greater degree of interagency competition. The debate on that has been raging since before I was born though, and differant countries will have differant views on it and differant times long after I am cold and in the ground. For more information go to the F.B.I. and C.I.A. wikipedia articles and discussion pages. The fine folks there will happily clarify your question with more detail then I could go into here. Now this is a stretch but... now to this article, I BELIEVE what is being said here is the FSB doesn't directly correspond to either agency.
791:О.КРЫШТАНОВСКАЯ: ...всегда профессиональная какая-то группа выделяется по своей функции в обществе - то есть, ментальность, все прочее – это вторично. Это люди - силовики – откуда слово «силовики»? Потому что эти люди с оружием в руках призваны защищать что-то. То есть, это вооруженная группа людей - вот это их объединяет прежде всего. Если смотреть в микроскоп, то конечно - каждый вид оружия, каждый вид спецслужбы, или не спецслужбы, конечно, он различный. Но если смотреть подальше, в телескоп, так сказать, то у них так много общего, что можно их считать одной группой. Конечно, я понимаю все оговорки, которые здесь надо сделать. Почему это одна группа? Еще в советское время она была сконструирована, и слово «силовики» возникло в советское время – ни в одной стране мира почему-то нет такого слова, всегда при переводе на английский, французский, немецкий, приходится пояснить многими словами, что имеется в виду. Почему у нас все они соединены, а там это все-таки разные вещи? Есть причины. У нас была иерархия этих силовых ведомств. И КГБ, а сейчас ФСБ, являлось мозгом, которая управляла другими вооруженными структурами – ну, армией в меньшей степени.
2043:"In the Soviet era the KGB (Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti; Russian for 'State Security Committee') and its predecessors were large and powerful organizations. The KGB’s role included intelligence work abroad, counterespionage, and the repression of domestic dissent. The KGB also provided the top Soviet leadership with information about public moods and international developments that could not be gained from the USSR’s censored press. KGB officers were members of the Soviet elite and were often very intelligent and well educated. In 1991 public outcry erupted after the agency participated in a failed coup, and President Yeltsin subsequently split the agency into five bodies. The main heirs to the KGB are the FSB (Federal Security Services), which concentrates on domestic affairs, and the SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service), which inherited the KGB’s foreign agents and activities. Although the major successor agencies are still large bodies with pervasive influence, Russians are now far freer to express their opinions and engage in independent political activity than they were under the KGB in the Soviet Union".
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they do not specify which specific traditions they heir from Cheka and your personal original research in interpreting these phrases and citations of other indivduals (me, for example) which you do not support with specific sources is actually has nothing to do with
Encyclopedia. It's either you have source which proves 'beyond the reasonable doubt', or you have a hearsay which have no place here. Western ignorance on current affairs in Russia is usually cured through better education and obviously not by doing personal adaptations in Encyclopedia which is used worldwide and not only by 'the West'. I don't think that FSB would feel itself abused, if we would describe it as an intelligence service. Especially when you would look at their webpage for the first time in your life and would read about their scope of work. Ridiculously, I haven't seen to many links in this article to FSB website. More large bulk of links are dedicated to hearsays and conspiracy theory websites.
1507:. According to your personal sophisms we should characterize not only CIA as a secret polcie, but FBI, Delta and SWAT too. There are no even hints in the respective Knowledge articles, that FBI and CIA are 'secret police'. How then it comes in accord with your allegations? Could we write in Encyclopedia article that "FSB, according to the learned opinion of anonimous Knowledge user Biophys, is a secret police"? Could you identify yourself as a reliable source here in Knowledge? E.g. provide your address, education background, bibliography of your research works written and etc.? Do you acknowledge your intentional defamation of FSB? Intelligence and counter-intelligence are actually refer to one and the same matter - intelligence.
797:О.КРЫШТАНОВСКАЯ: Да, конечно. И тройки были во всех регионах. Тройка - это УКГБ, туда еще входил главный милиционер и прокурор. Вот тройки силовиков, которые определяли на местах очень и очень многие важные вещи. Ментальность разная у них. Но поскольку лидирующие позиции занимает ФСБ, то ментальность ФСБ – она ключевая. И поскольку это организация типа такого закрытого ордена, то она построена вся на том, чтобы буквально зомбировать - может быть даже в хорошем смысле, «зомбировать» такое слово с негативным оттенком – пропитывать людей, которые проходят через эту школу, определенной совершенно идеологией. И эта идеология она главенствующая, это идеология, где патриотизм положен в основу основ.
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maybe I missed something in the article as a whole this is refering to. Given that people can't even seem to agree with what belongs in the article just concerning the FSB, unrelated information from unconnected foriegn agencies would seem to belong more appropriatly in their own discussion forums here on
Knowledge, especially since what makes Knowledge remotely useful as a knowledge base (and I have to really stretch to call it even that) is putting things up where other knowledgeable people can critique it. Putting that information here doesn't seem like if it's incorrect or biased it will be detected, which is why things in discussions are supposed to stay in their correct forums.
1457:Статья 8. Деятельность органов Федеральной службы безопасности Article 8 Деятельность органов Федеральной службы безопасности осуществляется по следующим основным направлениям: - контрразведывательная деятельность; - борьба с преступностью. Article 9 Контрразведывательная деятельность - деятельность органов Федеральной службы безопасности в пределах своих полномочий по выявлению, предупреждению, пресечению разведывательной и иной деятельности специальных служб и организаций иностранных государств, а также отдельных лиц, направленной на нанесение ущерба безопасности Российской Федерации. Biophys, in your opinion, контрразведка, doesn't mean intteligence?
785:Мы знаем, что на этой коллегии ФСБ Путин призвал органы Госбезопасности принять самое деятельное участие в контроле за избирательным процессом. Он сказал – цитирую: «В этом году пройдут очередные выборы в региональные законодательные собрания и Госдуму. Это важнейший демократический механизм формирования государственной власти, власти ответственной, и избранной в результате здоровой политической конкуренции. Важно не только обеспечить законность, - сказал президент, - и правопорядок, но и обезопасить общество от попыток вброса на общественно-политическое поле идеологии экстремизма, национальной и конфессиональной нетерпимости».
788:О.КРЫШТАНОВСКАЯ: ...чем ниже уровень политического класса, тем больше там представителей всяких других, боковых ветвей, в том числе, и МВД, и армия, и прочее – то есть, все виды силовых структур уже присутствуют. Но на самой верхушке, политбюро - это буквально 50 на 50 - разведка и контрразведка. Пополам. Но сейчас интересный процесс еще другой - в составы Советов директоров крупнейших компаний с присутствием государства достаточно много сейчас тоже представителей силовиков - этот процесс новые, и пока скрытый от общественного внимания, но мы подробно этим занимаемся, и обнаружили, каким образом туда вмонтируются эти люди.
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discussion. In fact, I'm surprised that an intelligent person like you would take a cheap tactic like that. And I think (i.e. personal opinion) that you are forcing your opinion on others as well, as well as the admin who locked this page, so I guess that makes us even. As well, by saying that I haven't proved my point, when I obviously gave a link to support it. And yes, the
British Police have linked Russia (and the FSB) to Litvinenko's assassination. Either way, you still haven't disproved that the FSB is a secret police. Short Summary: Back up your points with pages that you can actually read the whole thing.
2332:, etc. The purpose of these organizations was never to protect the country from terrorists or outside enemies. Their actual goal was to control the population of their own country. Ideology and propaganda are even more important than repressions to achieve this goal. Hence, they always did disinformation and other "active measures" rather than intelligence (they are doing a lot of "intelligence" within the country using an army of informers). The compete dissolution of FSB (except Border guards) would make the country only much safer. But that will never happen because they are the government of Russia.
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to their deserts, reap as they has sown. Russians should be killed, and only killed, for there is no one among them who is normal, intelligent, or who can be talked with and for understanding of whom we could rely. Harsh collective responsibility of all
Russians should be introduced, of all loyal Russian citizens for the actions of the government elected by them -- for the genocide, executions, ordeals, trade with corpses... From that moment there should be no division of killers on combatant and non-combatant, wilful or forced.
2603:. Note that I have organized this article to be pretty much NPOV. I made "Pro" ("Officially stated activities") section followed by "Contra" ("criticizm") section. This is standard practice to achive NPOV in many articles. If you think article was not balanced, you can extend "pro" section, rather than deleting everything you do not like, which is the entire "criticism" section. Do you agree? If you do not, I can combine "pro" and "contra" sections together, while keeping all relevant information and references, of course.
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routine to boot these officers from foreign postings. We should disrupt their lives and the lives of their families whenever and wherever possible. American and
European internal-security and foreign-intelligence services should track the finances of former and active-duty FSB and SVR officers. If it is possible to cause them pain--for example, by regularly blocking the accounts of officers even tangentially connected to anti-dissident or criminal activity in Europe or Russia--we should do so." Is that a good idea?
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similarities of FSB and KGB functions should be explained clearly. Many claims are not supported by references. How many people work in this organization and what is its budget? I know this is secret, but some approximate estimates should exist. It seems there are different views about this organization. This is fine. The official and alternative views could be described in two different sections. But who will do this job? I can try, but I am not that much familiar with the subject.
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non-governmental organizations, teachers, schools and etc. Police is just one out of many bodies who deal with crimes. Are you gonna name judge secret police member (closed court proceedings)? The question is how your current term 'counter-intelligence' relates to your previous 'secret police' description? It's pretty different to 'secret police'. Police doesn't perform counter-intelligence, indeed. And second, as I said previously, the
Knowledge article on
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a leader of extremist organization
Revolutionary Contact Association He was sentenced by court for the extremist activities, inciting religious and ethnic hatred, promoting violent change of constitutional regime, calls for violation of terriorial integrity of Russian Federation, defamatory statements(articles 280 and 282 of the Russian Criminal Code). He is not a dissident. Consider the following his statements:
919:. There are direct, open and equal elections in Russian Federation (unlike in the US which do not have open, direct, free and equal elections), there is a Parlament which has exclusive competention not owned by the President of Russian Federation. Totalitarian regimes do not have such institutes and Russia couldn't be characterized in terms used for totalitarian states.
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the activities of CIA on the US soil and therefore CIA is not exclusively foreign intelligence service. Moreover, after
September 11th, US Congress passed the the Patriot Act which allows CIA to spy on US citizens by virtually any means available. You description of CIA as a foreign intelligence agency is laughable. See the Encarta or Britannica.
1636:Государственные органы, предприятия, учреждения и организации независимо от форм собственности, а также общественные объединения и граждане имеют право в соответствии с законодательством Российской Федерации получать разъяснения и информацию от органов Федеральной службы безопасности в случае ограничения своих прав и свобод
1629:Государство гарантирует соблюдение прав и свобод человека и гражданина при осуществлении органами Федеральной службы безопасности своей деятельности. Не допускается ограничение прав и свобод человека и гражданина, за исключением случаев, предусмотренных федеральными конституционными законами и федеральными законами.
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The vast majority of the sources in the article cite biased publications and individuals. Just because some old babushka said she heard the FSB is the KGB does not make it sourced, nor does a publication frequently involved in disputes with the FSB stand as a reliable information source about them.
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QZXA2, You deleted text supported by more than 30 references, together with 30 references. You did it without any reasonable arguments. "Must be balanced" means only "I do not like it". You have been warned on your talk page not to do such things. So, please stop. If you think the article is POV, you
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First: Do you have proof that general Pacepa was lying? He could have been telling the truth for all you know. You can't just make statements like that. The second thing is that I was warning you to keep on topic, and I apologize that I came on strong. Anyways, back to the whole
Litvinenko thing. The
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As for your link on Ion Mihai Pacepa, I could say that he convicted
Russians of killing attempt on pope John Paul II, a thing which was found by Italian Parlamentary Commision to be a hoax. We cannot introduce texts in encyclopedia based on ussuported and unchecked allegations of person who was found
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So you haven't visited these links and you don't want to know how these encyclopedias describe FSB. Encarta allows full access and Britannica allows part access. However, I possess Britannica 2007 ultimate edition and could post whole article just for you here. You haven't made any link in support of
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Well that's all you could convict me of. However I just made two mistakes which I have acknowledged. But your POV edits describing FSB as SS or Gestapo are much more serious since you two forcibly advance your own biased anti-Russian opinion unsupported by any sources whatsoever. May I notice that it
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Well, let him alone with his problems. Actually, he makes much less changes in the overall impression from the articles than he might like. Although I agree that his activity is a bit disruptive, nothing important really depends on it, and nobody will ever be allowed to make enough damage here by the
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May I just correct you? 'Fifty valid references' to empty allegations by either foreign government sponsored organizations and individuals or by the radical opposition representatives seeking to defame acting government. No court judgements, no official statements, no any specifics and whereabout. Of
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and the CIA as he thought the FBI should be an all encompassing agency. Note that FBI means Federal Bureau of Investigations and is not descriptive of what type of investigations, just as the US Marshals and the US Secret Service were both heavily involved in intelligence activities, esp in America's
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Since the article in Knowledge says that secret police term is usually used in totalitarian regimes, that description is an evident POV. Russia is a member of European Convetion on Protection of Human Rights and there is jurisdiction of Human Rights Court in Strasbourg over Russia. Russia is a member
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Please know that Stomakhin wasn't procesuted by FSB, but he was prosecuted on the basis of applications of private persons, see the article on Boris Stomakhin. The statement of Union of Councils of fSU Jews is containing false statements and facts which contradict to Mass Media reports. Stomakhin is
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Well, what about other secret services then? We also shouldn't believe to CIA, FBI, Mossad websites, because they decept too? By the way claims that Iraq possesed WMD were deception. So what in the end? We couldn't rely on official sources and should repost to Knowledge allegations, rumors, hearsays
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Generally clandestine, secret police have operated independently of the civil police. Particularly notorious examples were the Nazi Gestapo, the Russian KGB, and the East German Stasi. Secret-police tactics include arrest, imprisonment, torture, and execution of political enemies and intimidation of
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Practice what you preach Vlad. I gave proof that they are secret police, yet you make accusations all across the board without citing anything. So please, stop being a hypocrite and start defending yourself, not attacking me. Plus the FBI and the CIA have nothing to do with the FSB and have no place
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Another important thing. Members of FSB proudly call themselves "Checkists" rather than "KGBists". They want to emphasize the historical tradition. And they are right. Such tradition does exist. So, it is important to note. Besides, people in the West know KGB but do not know FSB. So, we must tell:
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Very powerfull according to Biophys? If we all are to belive in your fantastic know-it-all abilities, then perhaps you should sometime identify your authorship (original research) in Knowledge edits? I have written to you already that many times US Congress formed commissions designed to investigate
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Text in Overview seems contradictory. It says first that FSB fights crime and terrorism (which is an official version). Then, it describes Litvinenko's views that FSB promotes the crime and terrorism, instead of fighting them. Maybe it would be better to make two separate parts, for the official and
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Just as a tie in to the above last edit and to help clarify this to us Westerners, if the FSB is 'one of' the descendants of the old KGB we all came to know and love would it be possible for someone in the know to link some of it's other descendant agencies to this article? Or, alternatively, put a
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Jugoslavia from London, according to London police. Please, stop your false accusations that I attack you, because the next time you would write it I would complain on the noticeboard. If you couldn't cite reliable sources claiming that FSB is a secret police, if you can't realize the definition of
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Frankly, I don't care much about what you are going to remember. You yourself was warned by Knowledge administrators against committing personal attacks as often as imaginable. By the way, could you please make yourself familiar with the topics you are writing on before editing? I have noticed that
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May I just cite the respective passage of Law on FSB? It says that anyone has the right to receive explanations and information from FSB in case their rights and freedoms are restricted. Could you cite me analogous passage from the US legislation on the CIA or FBI? I bet you won't, since the United
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Specifically if that citizen was believed to be involved in nefarious dealings with a foreign/outside power. If you belong or support say a middle eastern based islamic extremist group, or you spy for say a foriegn country, the CIA/NSA will investigate you (and to a point the FBI and other agencies
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Read your passage again. You wrote personally that "Other arrested people include ... Boris Stomakhin..." Considering the name of the article, readers could imply that FSB prosecuted Stomakhin which is a lie, that contradicts to numerous press articles and reports of non-governmental organizations.
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Kill, Kill, Kill! To flood all Russia with blood, to not give a quarter to anyone, to try to make at least one atomic explosion on the territory of Russian Federation -- this is like the program of radical Resistance should be, and Russian's, and Chechen's, and anyone's! Let the Russians, according
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A brief summary of the history of the pre-FSB history would be good because the FSB and other sisters agencies inherited a lot and remained largely unreformed from the Soviet era, e.g. it's still subject to little legislative or judicial oversight. It's not like its a brand new organization. So it
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Ridiculous. That man is a sadist: "If it is possible to cause them pain... we should do so". What about human rights and tortures? Consider this "We should disrupt their lives and the lives of their families whenever and wherever possible". This is a violation of human rights. He's calling to mass
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All lawyers in Russian total more than 10 million. 10 million versus 50 induviduals??? 50 individuals present their respective POV, so their individual POV's couldn't be presented as everyone's POV. And definetly term 'secret polcie' couldn't be used in the opening passage. Would you be so nice by
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Actually that had more then a few weasel words and PoV bias within it, and I'm not entirely sure I'd call it helpful to this discussion. Fun facts maybe, and appropriate in those agencies own sections of Knowledge, but I don't see how it's directly pertinent to this specific article itself. Though
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No, by publishing ambiguous wording and selecting specific words from Naftalin you actually did so. Naftalin wasn't critisizing FSB. Naftalin critisizes court who ruled for 'long term of jail'. It is clear from your passage. FSB has nothing to do with this citation as it is not the only government
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Because KGB has long since been unique in English mainstream usage, almost never being tranlated. "FSB" is way far from a unique meaning. There is no reason to flood English language with nontransparent abbreviations, from foreign languages, especially when the native (English) language has other
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Well, these are linguistic specifics of Russian language. The word 'troll' in English also has different meanings and usually it doesn't mean a character from a fairy tale. So Chekist doesn't nessecarily mean a person answering to Edmund Dzerzhinsky and abiding Builders of Communism Code. Second,
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Right. But what does it mean: "a domestic security agency"? There is no comparison with CIA. This article says: "FSB is a very large organization that combines functions and powers like those exercised by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Federal Protective Service, the
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Right. But what does it mean: "a domestic security agency"? There is no comparison with CIA. This article says: "FSB is a very large organization that combines functions and powers like those exercised by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Federal Protective Service, the
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and reads as follows: "Российские граждане, сотрудничающие с иностранными разведками, могут связаться с ФСБ России по телефону доверия с тем, чтобы стать агентами-двойниками. В этом случае денежное вознаграждение, получаемое такими агентами от иностранных спецслужб, будет полностью сохранено, и с
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It is stated that FSB is an acronym, but if you look at the definition of acronym, you find that this kind of abbreviation is voiced as a word, such as NASA. If this is correct, then what type of sound does pronouncing FSB make "FISB" or "FOSB"? Or should it just be an abbreviation "F"-"S"-"B"?
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By Reuel Marc Gerecht. He said: "The FSB and SVR are boldly but sloppily using nuclear hit teams abroad. The "wet jobs" of the former Soviet Union seem pristine in comparison. Western security and intelligence services should start harassing FSB and SVR personnel wherever possible. It should be
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Well, this kind of introduction is employed by Britannica, but it mentions only KGB. Encarta doesn't employ such intro at all. This kind of intro here is tricky and ambiguous in regard of what is heired from the earlier agencies. And this is unencyclopedic, because ambiguous. Anyway, this is no
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While I haven't gone through the articles or whether or not they are reliable, you took from a sources that a). Need a subscription to fully read and b). Have very little information proving your point, of what is readable. The second thing is that my comments that I make are separate from this
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Okey, then let's write that FBI and CIA are also secret police. Moreover there are some notorious supporters of this like Timothy McVeigh. Why don't you write this in FBI and CIA articles then? They plot and kill people around the world, disinform and make provocations! Are you specific in your
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On the one hand, the sources seem (although I did not read them particularly thouroughly) very comprehensive, the english is terrible. Someone with a clear understanding of a) the issues here, which are contentious and lend themselves to debate, and b) english, the language of this section of
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I agree. It is not clear what this organization does, and what its subdivisions do. FAPSI - is it currently a part of FSB or not? I think the old structure of FSB (in 1997) is not so important. A historic section describing transition from KGB to FSB should be included, but the differences or
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about the FSB. If there were other people involved with this article Im sure they would agree that this article in grossly unbalanced. And I am certain that Knowledge admimins. would also agree. You also cannot word these unproven statements as solid fact, and it is not in violation of any
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The problem is that you gave me nothing in proof. Could you cite anyone who is saying that FSB is a secret police, except you? Second, no one has established that FSB is liable for Litvinenko death. I would like to remind, if you are not acquainted with news, that the likely killer flied to
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is you who discusses personality of users here. Are you Wikipedian indeed? I thought everyone's discussing the article here, not the personality of contributors and it is you who the first touched my personality not me. So just learn Knowledge guidelines prior to joining this article. Ok?
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Stop your sophistic and tautalogical bad-tasting tricks. I've got 97% on Philosophy exam at the University of Oxford record, '5' mark in Warsaw University and Gomel State University. Crime is fought by the courts, congress (parlament), president, state prosecution, penitentiary system,
2025:, then its your personal problem. Again, I repeat you have presented no sources to support you empty words. It is encyclopedia, not a place for publication of your personal views. I again could cite from Britannica and Encarta on FSB, and stress the absence of a term "secret police":
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articles. These articles actually do not explain much, because the strategy of deception is really working (Congratulations, comrades!). I mean: just take a look at certain History textbooks in the US. It seems they were written in FSB. I do not accuse anyone personally of course.
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course we should all believe that these guys are claiming these allegations with 'good faith' hidden in their pockets. And these guys, of course, are objective, independent experts on these topics, like Mitrokhin, the traitor, former KGB spy, working on the CIA disinformation team?
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general Knowledge community. I think it is much more important to create a network of new articles (stubs at least) covering the recent Russian history than to enter into an edit battle with somebody over these subtleties. Networks are much less prone to such damage.
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The 30 refernces I deleted are hardly "reliable". Besides, I mostly just re-worded most of the statements so they would be less POV. You said yourself that I could do so. Why don't you just re-add the sources I deleted rather than the revert my whole edit?
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The English language wikipedia has been infiltrated by members of the FSB (some of them being wiki admins now) who forge history files and remove content critical of Putin's Russia. So far these attempts meet stiff resistance by the wiki community.
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meanings. Also, a general rule that the article title is preferrably the full official name of something, various abbreviations being redirects. Of course, there are exceptions, for various reasons, mostly because of tradition, like "
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States Code doesn't vest the US citizens even with right to demand explanations from them. It is exactly why the US Congress, itself, has set up the Committee to investigate the activities of CIA on the US soil. Many thanks.
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body which carries out prosecution functions. It is carrying out prosecution functions mainly in state security area. And you could do nothing to cover your libelous statements which are already stored in page history.
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A general pledge: Knowledge super-users, moderators and experts: Please do not look for "neutrality" when it comes to power and its possible abuse. Instead only look for honesty, witnesses, sources and truth. Thanks,
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So, I have spent a lot of time to rewrite Overview and two first chapters. It was important to tell a little about these apartment bombings. Otherwise, it would be completly unclear for reader what is that all about.
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I put back the Anti-corruption and organized crime section because I think its still an important part of its role, even though it's not really referenced but on the other hand it doesn't say anything controversial.
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Frankly you could use the same techniques and suggest there is serious belief the US government is run by lizard men and it would be no less absurd. How do I get the neutrality is disputed heading onto this page?
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I did not write that Stomakhin was prosecuted by FSB. I only cited statement by Mr. Naftalin where he ctriticized FSB. This is obvious. But since you insist, I can do this differently to accomodate your concerns.
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I would like to learn the arguments of those who describe FSB as a secret police and specific links to NPOV sites which describe FSB as a secret police, since it is a Knowledge (Encyclopedia). Please, go
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by doing that. You have already been warned for your personal attack on yours talk page. This time I frogive you personal attack, but if you would continue there or on other pages I would report this.
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CIA is a proper equivalent of FSB in the US. Since CIA is not described as a secret police and there are no self-descriptions of FSB as a secret police, this word collocation is a POV and defamatory.
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Colchicum, why are you reverting my well balanced version? I left the vast majority of sources, I only deleted the most absurd links. I dont get what is wrong with re-wording such a biased article.
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A lot of ex-KGB agents still work at the FSB. That is why many people think the FSB use some KGB tactics/ descended from the KGB. I don't quiet understand the second half of your statement though.
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Can you also prove that you have the encyclopedia Britannica membership? I just think that there should be proof that you are a member and not just saying that without actually being one. Thanks.
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04:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Besides, the text about Litvinenko is not the Overview but someting else. Of course the "alternative" view must be present, because it is actually supported by many.
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which was a branch of the FBI operating in South American during and after WWII. There were many allegations of FBI activities as Hoover was also known to oppose the establishment of the
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Could you support your POV with citations from other encyclopedias? Encarta or Britannica? If no, then I congratulate you with another POV which you may personally maintain. Ironically,
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disinformation and bias? Why the bias of such people like you only concerns FSB, but when it comes to FBI and CIA this bias vanishes like a girl's virginity after the graduation party?
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Why don't we just re word the "critisiscm" section while keeping all of the sources? (and of course adding a note thatthere is no solid proof that those allegations are true)
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You did not answer my question. Do you want to keep old structure of this article? Yes or no, please. I understand that your answer is "no". What others think about it?
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A book mentioned a military-style FSB anti-corruption group called Cobra or Kobra. Does anybody know what this is? (No, not the bad guys from G.I. Joe!) Thanks.
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QZXA2, it is not enough to tell that "30 refernces I deleted are hardly reliable". You must explain why each specific reference you deleted does not satisfy
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PS: Am I wrong, or is it more accurately: "Federal Enforcement Bureau". .?.
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used only in regard of totalitarian regimes, and specifically in regard of
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naive adolescence. Just adding food for thought. The previous was added by
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suppose to be an equivalent of CIA. Biophys 17:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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The functions of FSB are almost exactly parallel to those of the infamous
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Why would the CIA or NSA "pursue an investigation" of American citizens?--
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Syrian Missile Sale Slots into Secret Russian Air Defense System for Iran
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A Rogue Intelligence State? Why Europe and America Cannot Ignore Russia.
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Lawyers are completely irrelevant. This is Encyclopedia, not a court.
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not expressing your arguments in single words such as 'irreleveant'?
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successor of KGB. Indeed, it is FSB (rather than SVR) appears to be
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would be nice to give the reader a nice context to the whole thing.
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POV tag: not sure if only an administrator can remove it or anyone?
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as new head of FSB. He was just apointed by President Medvedev. --
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Agree! But the article is locked. So, there is nothing we can do.
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Through Arms to Syria, Putin Challenges US Middle East Game Rules
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All these fifty sources satisfy Knowledge verifiability criteria
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Thank you Tomtom9041 for your information. It is really helpful.
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The article 'Death to Russia' by Boris Stomkahin in Google cache
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The Future of Pakistan: An Interview with Journalist Hamid Mir
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Russia secretly offered North Korea nuclear technology
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while the article was protected. Please complain to
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http://www.newsru.com/russia/03oct2006/stomaxin.html
185:— Why is it false? As of October 2006, the offer is
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Moscow Arms Assad with a Top-Flight Surface Missile
2656:Will you chaps please learn to spell? -CRITICISM.
2638:You want my answer? No. I want a balanced version.
2558:Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation
870:Secret police organization or intelligence agency?
3192:- by J. R. Nyquist, Geopolitical Global Analysis
996:. By assigning foreign intelligence functions to
891:I can also copy a segment from discussion above:
153:Err.. the "coup" of 1991? Is that really proper?
1775:writings were characterized as being worse that
1198:Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov
810:Maybe we should list only referenced information
205:Maybe this article should be organized better?
2397:violation of human rights. This is a fascism.
2073:http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9378132
955:CIA is irrelevant. This is article about FSB.
592:http://rian.ru/society/20061124/55959089.html
583:http://www.russianlife.nl/boris_stomakhin.htm
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367:Operations of FSB against Russian scientists
3009:Knowledge:Naming conventions (common names)
1609:this is already supported by ~50 references
1543:this is already supported by ~50 references
876:Chronology of Soviet secret police agencies
457:For what reason FSB needs so much power? -3
452:For what reason FSB needs so much power? -2
447:For what reason FSB needs so much power? -1
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3015:, not "Oriental Republic of Uruguay", and
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716:after the conflict. Pakistani journalist
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422:Movies that create a positive image of FSB
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1924:http://en.wikipedia.org/Ruby_Ridge#Siege
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724:are providing weapons and money to the
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210:"alternative" views on FSB activities?
1055:Irrelevant. This is not article about
472:He knew too much. Now he knows nothing
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910:Description of FSB as a secret police
774:Very interesting material (Russian),
728:in 2006, according to his sources in
574:http://www.regnum.ru/news/739771.html
161:Now "attempted coup", which links to
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650:It was suggested that Russia helped
645:Russia and the Arab-Israeli conflict
1103:The english in this page is sloppy.
880:List of secret police organizations
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2965:If I come into some $ $ I'll buy
1572:But a significant portion of this
417:Special forces that kill civilians
357:State control of TV and newspapers
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1926:FBI is pretty much acting like
1188:and described in all detail by
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1000:you diminish the importance of
917:..democratic, unitarian...state
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1176:in article
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36:This is an
2835:Neutrality
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824:Kavkaz.org
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92:Hydraton31
2681:SergeiXXX
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1810:Colchicum
1760:Colchicum
837:Colchicum
718:Hamid Mir
714:Hezbollah
670:Hezbollah
174:Curiosity
77:Archive 4
71:Archive 3
65:Archive 2
60:Archive 1
2997:Mikkalai
2926:Question
2908:unsigned
2859:unsigned
2719:Peet Ern
2694:Template
2550:Talk:FSB
2545:Redirect
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2458:familiar
2122:and POV
1406:this is
759:contribs
747:unsigned
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254:Yuletide
187:still up
130:Mikkalai
3013:Uruguay
2885:undated
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2821:Biophys
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165:. --
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