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Mahadji and Nana faced acute financial distress. Under these circumstances, peace at the most favorable terms was the only course left open. After prolonged negotiations a treaty was signed between Mahadji and Anderson on 17th May, 1782. It was known as the Treaty of Salbai, after a small village of the same name where Mahadji was in camp." M. S. Narvane further quotes that, "The main clauses of the treaty were as follows: All territories captured by the Company would be returned, including Bassein but excluding Salsette and some small islands near Bombay. These would remain with the British. Territories in Gujarat would be returned to the Peshwa and Gaikwad, Bhadoch being given to Mahadji for services rendered. Raghoba was to be handed over to the Marathas. He would spend the remainder of his life at a secluded spot in Maharashtra on a pension of Rs. 25,000 per month. Thus ended the First Anglo-Maratha war. Politically the Company was a slight gainer. They retained Salsette whereas the Marathas got back only what they had lost earlier. The main gain from the Maratha point of view was the elimination of the threat posed by Raghoba." Raghoba is Raghunath Rao.
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Company was a slight gainer. They retained Salsette whereas the Marathas got back only what they had lost earlier. The main gain from the Maratha point of view was the elimination of the threat posed by Raghoba." I do not see in any of the citations where multiple authors have claimed that Marathas were victors. Can you point exact quote from the citations on the article which claims the end result of Maratha as victors 1782? I didn't see any, otherwise there would have been no question or debate but clearly there aren't any on the article that states so. Multiple article states that the end result was the treaty where Marathas were given back some territories whereas the British retained some and there was peace among both for next 20 yrs where both allied with each other during campaigns against Mysore.
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British politically gained from the treaty. So considering the sources in regards to the treaty, it is disputed if compared with Barua's. If there are other reliable sources
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Phyrric victory or victory at all? Haven't you read what has been quotes by the reliable citations? And what is with the language? You are here for discussion and not force your opinion. There is no policy that what has been there on the article, cannot be corrected. False
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According to reliable citations, the battle resulted with treaty of Salbai. Here are some quotes from reliable sources: From
Richard Ernest Dupuy, Gay M. Hammerman, Grace P. Hayes (1977). The American Revolution: A Global War. David McKay Company, Incorporated. p. 247. "Hastings promptly repudiated
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Beveridge book is an unreliable source which was published in 1862 and likely a primary source. Secondary sources are preferred. How is the treaty of Salbai victory for either party? Giving away and retaining some of territories was part of the negotiation. M.S. Naravane clearly
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