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pounds of butter, but psychologically I think humans have a very hard time using that as a basis for comparison. Similarly, I don't like inflation-adjustment charts that go back 250 years because they universally fail to take into account things like non-currency transactions, cost of living adjustments, and monetary policy and currency changes. Lastly, if you use grams and kilogrammes in the note, you'd probably need to do a conversion template to ounces and pounds.
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As a side note, while appears to be a good source, I'm wary of comparing the price of butter to the cost of a ship, as that doesn't really provide an easily-ascertainable comparative and contrast to the cost of this ship. In other words, I could say that this ship cost the same as 1.3 million
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Carolina, while 60,000 pounds bought this stone fort in New York, and 20,000 pounds built a blockhouse in Pennsylvania).
443:(the three-decker is over twice the price, as I would expect) and come from conference proceedings, which should be reasonably serious (the figures are also coherent with those given on the French Knowledge (XXG), which references a book that I don't have at the moment). The edit is
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Thank you very much for your suggestions on the price; as you can tell, I had never considered this question in much depth, though it is a very interesting one. I'll look for good references on the price of ships and let you know as soon as I have something. Cheers!
217:"The French fleet sustained damage at the Siege of Savannah and eventually returned to Europe. Marseillois returned to Toulon with Zélé, Sagittaire, Protecteur, and Expériment 46 members of her crew had died during the campaigns, of which only three in combat.".
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Is there a way that you can think of to provide a conversion or comparison for the 500,000 livres cost? I'm not a fan of providing direct conversions for costs of this age, but perhaps you can provide a comparative to average ship costs or the
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Ah yes, I'd removed the inline reference because I though it was redundent with the reference in the note, but indeed I needed to reference the main text as well. I've restablished the reference.
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Thank you very much for your helpful comments, the valuable sugestions (I'll try to develop a habit of comparing prices when possible) and the encouragements. Cheers!
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