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It's a completely different license. The station currently holding the call sign KAPY-LP (FCC facID 196829) was originally assigned the call sign KRDI-LP when its construction permit was issued, and then later changed its call sign to KAPY-LP in 2016. It should be its own article at KAPY-LP, but
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the pages to affected from this discussion and the ones on the TV side as you have on the new RM and alert all participates in the discussions on both sides of the move and new location. Would you do anything different,
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1759:WP:CONLEVEL
1751:WP:TALKFORK
1632:Defunct #2
1622:Defunct #1
1604:Defunct #2
1594:Defunct #1
1417:Also, add:
1371:sufficient.
949:WDRK (Ohio)
837:WAST (Ohio)
783:KXOL (Utah)
747:KSOS (Utah)
711:KNFL (Utah)
610:current log
552:move review
128:free images
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