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Thompson (I did not especially) and I remember being a strikebreaker. Maybe I just liked being on the air, or should I say being an announcer and control board operator. I don't think I cared too much about that controversy of the day. There were, of course many others, before I was there, during the time I was around, and since. Only the big not so recent one is covered. Maybe I can fill in some day with what little I know, but I seem to recall reading about how the effect of the marijuana broadcast was hotly debated within the station. As time went on, each controversy, one after another, was divisive.
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Sorry to come across harsh but I have a hard time trusting your edits when you are passionate about a topic. You did an exceptional job with the BART article by adding a view point that was lacking. However, I will not bicker back and forth like you and THF did over this article since is in such need
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It looks like at least three editors (if you include me) believe this article needs to be trimmed and edited for neutrality. I want to go through and blow out the extra fluff and unecylopedic detail. The editors who originally worked on this will obviously have concerns so please speak up now or edit
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One should note that labor strife at the station is a huge part of its recent history. That's not to say there's not also plenty of room for other material concerning the station's recent history, such as programming, and financial info, listener demographic, etc. The labor stuff and the arrest is
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What's wrong with a debate or discussion of appropriate edits here? Isn't that what the collaborative editing process is about here on wikipedia? I've been editing this article for a while; how did you end up making your way over here? Are you implying you were unhappy with the editing process on
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That opinion aside, the reason I read this article was that I had hoped to find some interesting history, fascinating tidbit or something of value about KPFA which I could share with others. I found only one, and it is so insignificant that were I to share it with the "average" person, they wouldn't
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I have flagged the article to be checked for neutrality. Terminology, weight, and length of sections all point to this article not being neutral. I'm not going to attack you like THF or start listing links to
Knowledge (XXG) policies you should know since it is inappropriate. Hopefully this article
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This article, in stark contrast to the information available online, is still woefully inadequate... which only demonstrates that the liberal "FREAKS" that hang their greasy hats there have absolutely NO CLUE as to what radio, or the mission of the radio station is, or what to say in this, ahem...
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There is a conflict of interest guideline. Can you point out any specific lines at are false? Having the paragraphs under one section was trimming a few editors did when the article was mainly about labor disputes throughout its history. I disagree with your assessment that it leads the reader one
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Of course the labor disputes are a concern that need to be in the article. We can add plenty of info but it will still not be balanced against the over explanation of conflicts. For example: The girl getting tackled section is ridiculously long and can be easily summarized and made more neutral.
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Chances are, some KPFA "freak" will come in here and obliterate this message. If they do... oh well. It would only serve to further demonstrate a piss-poor attitude, which is probably the reason they were kicked out anyway. Folks don't get the axe 'cause they're doing excellent jobs, you know.
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I do not feel it's appropriate for me to do the editing as I work at KPFA, but I can say that the entire "Labor
Dispute" section is misinformation. This is my take on it: some people who are on the weaker side of a power struggle at the station are trying to frame three different events into a
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I remember being there the day Lou
Schwitzer, who owned WBAI in New York, called to tell the then manager Harold Winkler that WBAI was to be given to KPFA. Winkler, not a particularly friendly fellow to a teen volunteer, was dancing in the corridors of what seemed to me at the time to be the
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We both are interested in similar things but I disagree with you on most of them. I didn't mean to come across like I am hounding you but some articles you have worked on have been skewed towards only one view point with a forced agenda which leads the reader while being more editorial than
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I found this article to be an outlet to "bitch, moan and whine." It is NOT about the radio station. It is about a petty labor dispute among some folks that has escalated because they think they have "rights" to something where they VOLUNTEER their time!
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And on a personal note, if I didn't like what went on somewhere, I'd go somewhere else. I wouldn't hang around where I wasn't wanted, and certainly wouldn't be so stupid as to jeopardize the life of my unborn child by behaving so foolishly!
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Occasionally, I listen to KPFA. It's not a "favorite," and from my experience (having heard numerous public radio stations throughout the USA), it is NOT top notch, either in programming or operations. Quite frankly, it sucks!
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I'm not debating with you like the BART Shooting page, Chris. Reverting the edit is silly. Fix the article per Wiki standards if it is that important to you. Editors had a week to chime in with comments.
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Nice work. It ties the incidents together, references the harsh tackle on a pregnant woman, and explains the history well while not killing the article. Agreed that the '99 event was incredibly notable.
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Their FCC license here states 24th August 1946 was their original incorporation date, but this article says 1949? Would it really have taken 3 years to get broadcasting? Anyone know any more details?
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Bad form on my part with the second statement. The article was a mess and I had some concerns with the POV not getting immediately addressed. rd232 came and really worked the article.
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LORD have mercy... don't be stupid like that poor woman, who now has a criminal record, amassed enormous bills associated with her stupid actions and who knows where this'll end?
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I might come back here ... or maybe not. Just to note that a lot of history, much of which is important to the station, the community, the nation and the world is lacking.
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The more contentious sections are overly weighted. These sections should be reduced. If appropriate, a new article for these issues could be used. Any thoughts.
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