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Columbia area the "corridor" picks up again, from Valemount north to somewhere around the "Big Bend" of the Fraser, at least (although I drove a portion of this and man, was it the middle of nowhere). But yes, I didn't mean to suggest the entire trench had a regional unity--just that the southern part from Cranbrook or so to Flathead Lake, Missoula, and the Bitterroot Valley seems to be a relatively cohesive region--especially between the Kalispell and Missoula areas, including the wide fertile farmland plains of the Flathead Reservation south of Flathead Lake (a surprinsgly beautiful area, with roadsigns in English and Flathead (complete with the odder sort of Salishan transcriptions--letters in super- and subscript, and various IPA-like characters. Every little stream bridged by the road had a little sign IDing the stream in English and some kind of Salish, I think). The Purcell Trench is similar. The northern end is occupied by Kootenay Lake and Duncan Lake (not sure whether this helps unify or separate the people of the Purcell Trench. But south of Creston clear to Sandpoint the landscape of the Purcell Trench is striking. At least I was struck driving through it--the valley's floor is rather broad, flat, and fertile, and supports a largely rural population--few in asbolute numbers, but for the general region, a population center! High mountains rise up dramatically on either side of the Purcell Trench. Plus, the Purcell Trench continues south to Coeur d'Alene and beyond. Unlike most of the other towns in the "Kootenai" region, Coeur d'Alene is the Big City--although of course it is the metaphorical eastern anchor of the Spokane metro area.
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1140:. Anyway, I'll take a closer look. It is quite possible that other traders/trappers predated the famous and oft-claimed first in a region, like Thompson--but in many cases the historical record is patchy at best. A lot of these "lower rank" traders/trappers left little historical documentation. Also, for areas like Clark Fork, Lewis and Clark were there before Thompson, and fur traders/trappers followed their lead very quickly--although I'm not sure if they "quickly" got to the Clark Fork area. I also vaguely recollect reading about HBC forays into what's now southwest Alberta and northwest Montana--east of the Continental Divide, in the general area east of Glacier National Park, I think. Even if so, I'm not quite clear on what this has to do with the Kootenay River, which is west of the Divide (and if you've been to Glacier NP you'll know is it a most imposing Divide!).
2434:(a page that needs making), a broad flat corridor running from Coeur d'Alene north through Lake Pend Oreille to the Kootenay River at Bonners Ferry and north into Canada, apparently almost all the way to Golden. These north-south trenchs seem much more developed and unified as "regions" than the southern east-west segment of the Kootenai River. We drove along a portion of the river there, and there's nothing but forests and rugged terrain. The only time we saw other people was at Kootenai Falls. I suppose one could refer to the Kootenai region, or the Kootenai National Forest region (I can't recall hearing the term used without the "national forest" bit), or maybe the Purcells, although usually that term refers to the Canadian Purcells.
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Kootenay River, and in previous gneerations had also been fighting over the Kootenay Lake area; implicitly with other related allies helping out, e.g. the colville, Pend'Oreille, Sanpoil and Okanagan, though prior to the smallpox plagues of the 1780s through 1860s they were very numerous in their own right. The passage given is part of the Ktunaxa propaganda machine; if you were to find Salish-peoples' sources in Colville, or even to read up in various "white man's histories", you'd find that they were NOT the only people "on the Kootenay itself".
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1158:(Not traders) that came into the Kootenay River area earlier; or some other obscure explorer or someone wandering, or .. ahem: The reason I brought up John Palliser was because in the book of his records, he describes with some substantiality the Ktunaxa (he calls them Kootenai or Kootenay, which one I forgot). However I failed to pay attention to the dates; I'll have to look for that book again. And yeah, 'French Canadian' was the term that I was thinking about but never got around to fixing the article.
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Company; they spoke French (as would have MacDonald, who was with Lagace) but they were French by language and culture; some US histories of the Oregon Country even refer to the bulk of HBC employees as French, i.e. not English/British, though they don't say so directly....I won't go into it, it was politicized language in the context of the disputed territory; i.e. not admitting to British presence/control....
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English wikipedia isn't specific to a single country, and the name of the river changes as it crosses the border, it's incorrect to refer to the river as "Kootenai" in Canada and "Kootenay" in the US. I've modified the name of the river in the few spots it's referred to solely in the US. Most
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Kettle River! And it crosses the boundary THREE TIMES! I wonder how I couldn't think of it ⌠but there are no more rivers that do - right? (I might be wrong; there might be some obscure stream somewhere that meanders right along the US-Canada boundary and crosses the line three hundred times.) Just
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This is not a demand to change the name of the article or anything like that. But I was wondering why the article is called "Kootenay River" instead of "Kootenai River". Is it because the source of the river is located in Canada, where it's called Kootenay?
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