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does not contain any less peninsular land, but just gobbled up less of northeast China. It's just that today, people use "Korean peninsula" as shorthand for "the territory ruled by DPRK and the territory ruled by ROK". Personally, I would like to see the article "Korea" - a nationalist fiction - not
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By the destination given on this article "The northern boundaries for the Korean
Peninsula are commonly (and tacitly) taken to coincide with today's political borders between North Korea and her northern neighbors" Goryeo contains less peninsular land. That sentence, the map, and the figures that
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this article uses would seam to indicate that it's definition of Korean Peninsula is 100% coterminous with modern Korea. Your entitled to your opinion of where the peninsula's boundaries are, but it's just your opinion.
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focused primarily on the peninsula itself. I wouldn't see any benefit, but I also don't see any common practices that would dictate we change this article's name to be like the rest of them;
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