Talk:Kaçanik/Archive 1 - Knowledge (XXG)

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Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara, Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK) mbi autorizimin e Administratës së Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë, Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë, Shpall sa vijon: Neni 1 Numri dhe emrat e komunave Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e atyre komuniteteve. Neni 2 Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 3 Zbatimi Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 4 Ligji i zbatueshëm Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. Neni 5 Hyrja në fuqi Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000. Bernard Kouchner Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

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English form. Also Ev's is trying to convince us that the English speakers would most easily recognize Serbo-Croatian diacritics than other diacritics THIS IS PURE SPECULATION (don't mess Serbo-Croatian names without diacritics because this is not the case, none has proposed a Serbo-Croatian name of Kaçanik without diacritics, but if someone does, we can discuss that proposal). The problem here is to use diacritis of either Albanian Kaçanik or Serbo-Croatian Kačanik. Since we don't know the how English speakers can more easily recognize a č than a ç (this is a pure speculation), this is not an issue. The real issue is should it be in Serbo Croatian variant or Albanian variant. My opinion is that the use of Serbo-Croatian in the head is somewhat confusing since if you go through article you can see that there are not serb speakers on that area and also if you further dig the issue you see that Kosovo (albanian speking country etc) has declared indipendence etc etc (not mentioning that the majority of English speaking states have recognized the Republic of Kosovo etc). So since there is no acceptance of the use of Kacanik we shold go for the multiple names of the city.

1172:. What is the local name? The name used by local authorities or local inhabitants. Now local authorities declaring their authority in that region are UNMIK mission, Republic of Kosovo, Republic of Serbia, Local government unit of Hani i Elezit/ General Jankovic. From the above mentioned authorities I think according 1244 resolution (signed by even by Serbia, following the NATO intervention) the UNMIK mission is the most undisputable authority on that region (I don't want to enter in a debate about the Kosovo Indipendence). Now looking at the sources above we see that UNMIK uses Kaçanik or Kacanik. So the local authorities make use of these versions of that name. Also as per the local population (99.9% Albanian) the name in use is Kaçanik. In the end we have the versions of Kaçanik or Kacanik in all actual legal documentation and in the spoken language of that region. 154:

za opstinu koje nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica. Clan 2 PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi. Clan 3 PRIMENA Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe. Clan 4 ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna sa wom. Clan 5 STUPAWE NA SNAGU Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine. Bernar Ku{ner Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

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Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica 12 Leposaviq \Leposavic 13 Lipjan \Lipqan 14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo 15 Obiliq \Obilic 16 Rahovec\ Orahovac 17 Pejë\ Pec 18 Podujevë\ Podujevo 19 Prishtinë \Pristina 20 Prizren \Prizren 21 Skenderaj\ Srbica 22 Shtime\ Stimqe 23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce 24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka 25 Ferizaj \Urosevac 26 Viti \Vitina 27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn 28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok 29 Zveçan\ Zvecan 30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

2523: 2481: 2435: 2536: 2494: 2446: 3334:- I have had a change of opinion since I first nominated this article for a RM. I have done further research and come to the conclusion that "Kaçanik" is in fact the common name for the town in the English language and that "Kačanik" has never been the common name. Please see above for my Google Books and Google Scholar evidence. For this reason I support moving the article to Kaçanik. 1460:

misleads English readers as to the pronunciation and for the reasons Vanjagenije and I discussed above. Maybe some of the pro-Kačanik editors would also accept Kachanik (or Kacanik, even), and likewise with the pro-Kaçanik editors, even if it's not their first choice. In a way, we're lucky that an easy out exists for this case--less so than with the debate over, say,

3241: 2540: 2527: 2514: 173:) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Knowledge (XXG) but you are destroing the comunity of Knowledge (XXG). I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Knowledge (XXG) and for the peopel in Kosovo. Dont forget You can have a problem with "Haage" or Carla del Ponte. This tabel is speeken better then I. -- 2571:- I have now changed this into a three way proposal as other uses have voiced their preference for a third choice title. It is only fair that this third choice be taken into consideration in the RM. I myself now support moving the article to "Kaçanik" not "Kacanik" or "Kačanik", please see my second lot of evidence below for proof. 1486:

Kaçanik is in Albanian while Kačanik is in Serbian. Since the local population and administration uses Kaçanik as a legal form I think that is it a rightfull claim to have the name Kaçanik first and Kačanik second. That's why I agree with BW for the move. For more arguments about the local authority see my comment above.

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part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Knowledge (XXG).--

2553:. Since we have an Anglicised spelling for the name of the town, we should use it on English wikipedia. The Albanian name should be used on Albanian Knowledge (XXG) and the Serbian name should be used on Serbian Knowledge (XXG). Here on English Knowledge (XXG) we should use English spellings. Regards 2238:

Probably because since 1912 Kosovo has been part of Serbia/Yugoslavia for almost a century, for decades the English language has usually adopted the Serbo-Croatian names for the region. This fact should be evident to anyone who has read English-language books, newspaper articles & publications on

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I think Ev's is playing with words. His supposed use of Serbo-Croatian names is not supported by numbers just google it. Speaking deliberately I can say than the Albanian names for that region are more numerous in English or there are more mentions of that city in Latin letters Kachanik or Kacanik in

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a clear usage here. For many decades English-language publications have used Serbo-Croatian names -with or without diacritics- for the region. This usage is obvious to anyone who has read about the region from English books, magazines & newspapers. This is the usage the greatest number of English

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First of all, there is no move request, so this discussion is only informal. The article should not be moved. The sources given above, which spell the name as "Kacanik", use that spelling because they do not use diacritics (č) and not because that is accepted English spelling. A similar example could

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There are no need for moving the article. Your sources are not good, because they are news that dont use neither Serbian, neither Albanian, but that is logic, because of the Slavic letters (ŠČĆĐŽ), and that is unreadable for the foreign readers. But that DOESN'T mean that this source is reliable! It

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TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.) Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb) Albanski Srpski 01 Deçan \Decani 02 Gjakovë \Djakovica 03 Gllogovc \Glogovac 04 Gjilan \Gnilane 05 Dragash \Dragas 06 Istog \Istok 07 Kaçanik \Kacanik 08 Klinë\ Klina 09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje 10 Kamenicë \Kamenica 11

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U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu, Ovim objavquje slede}e: Clan 1 BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA 1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj Uredbi. 1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime

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UREDBA BR. 2000/43 UNMIK/URED/2000/43 27. jul 2000. godine O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara, Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine, Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula

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Regardless of why you think diacritics are dropped in the English language is irrelevant, what matters is what the the most Common spelling is. That would be "Kacanik" in this case. Please feel free to prove me wrong. And if you want us to use diacritics, then we should rename the article "Kaçanik"

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This is also a question that extends well beyond Serbia, you know. How many Japanese place names use the character "ō"? Do we generally use it? Even if most Serbian personal names keep diacritics, that doesn't mean the same pattern is reflected project-wide. There are many exceptions to any pattern

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no excuse for a move war, no matter what anyone does. If a possibly controversial move is made — with or without the formalism of WP:RM — and later contested, then it's time to have another conversation - with or without formal structure. It is never time to move war, and no form of edit-warring is

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You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Knowledge (XXG) is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Knowledge (XXG) for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation

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Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Knowledge (XXG), you are maken

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RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43 UNMIK/REG/2000/43 27 korrik 2000 Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave ------------------------------------------- Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm, Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të Këshillit të

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Actually what I was referring to was the technical limitations of Google's OCR and counting algorithms to properly distinguish letters with diacritics, causing large discrepancies in the counts - some things counted twice, some counted in the wrong set, large numbers not counted at all. For these

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has it spot on: That the BBC, the Guardian, and Time have the diacriticless version is due to those publications simply having as a (perhaps implicit) convention the practice of deleting diacritics that aren't very familiar to most of their readers. It says nothing about any established usage of

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Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Knowledge (XXG) and is saying that Kosovo it is a

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We would require to perform advocacy or original research to make determinations on technical limitations, ignorance, laziness, etc. Knowledge (XXG) should not prescribe usage, it should merely follow the most common usage in English. If we cannot determine common usage, then we can fall back on

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there are more Kacanik in English searches (see google) than Kaçanik or Kačanik. Furthermore we are talking for the same name but in different languages. For example the name Durrës in Serbo-Croatian is Drač. But the name in use now in Encyclopedias is Durrës because it is a local name. The name

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Perhaps what we need to do is not to see whether consensus exists that any particular move should happen, but rather to see what people think are acceptable titles for the page. I, for example, think that Kačanik, Kaçanik, and Kachanik would all be acceptable, but Kacanik would not, because it

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Google's search engine's ability to reliably identify diacritics is poor to atrocious (I can give more than ample detail if required), so the Google "test" isn't worth the pixels that illuminate it, even as an approximate guide. The other evidence is of usage, but not of predominance of usage.

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As it was agreed with the Pristina article not to use the Anglicised spelling of the town which most English language sources and media use, instead of the Serbian Priština and Albanian Prishtina, I propose we do the same for this article. We shouldn't use the Albanian "Kaçanik" or the Serbian

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publications (e.g. Pristina rather than (S) Priština). The prevalence of Serbian names in non-Serbian sources is due to mapping usually being based on Serbian sources, which used the Serbian forms of Kosovo placenames. However, very recently published maps and guidebooks do now use Albanian

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in order to be uncontested after their closure. Certainly there are no rules set on stone, but it is Knowledge (XXG)'s tradition (and for good reason) that controversial move proposals follow some procedures otherwise their outcome will simply not be taken seriously (and prompt move war).

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Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW

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Yes, i do. I oppose move, as it is only political. Why do we use only sources from after 2008? That means that only albanian names are used, as it is after independance. Per all awailable sources (not just post independance), Kačanik is COMMONNAME, and i oppose the move.

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This usage may change in the future (it may be changing right now), and Albanian names may become the norm in English texts, but this isn't the case yet. Only when/if that change actually happens should Knowledge (XXG) reflect it, instead of spearheading it. - Best,

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1999. godine Privremene administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na Kosovu, <u: -->

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That said, I wouldn't mind a general WP convention to replace c-hacek with ch for articles where that is done in a substantial proportion of authoritative sources--this would be especially useful in this case, where there isn't consensus on the c-hacek versus the

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is a good way to make it clear to any interested parties what is going on, but it's not required. We moved pages before WP:RM existed, you know. Any decision undertaken after serious discussion should be taken seriously, and to do otherwise is Wikilawyering.

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Some places just aren't talked about enough in English-language reliable sources to say that there is any established English usage. In this case, we generally go with the common native name, but when there's a dispute between two of those... it's tricky.

2498: 1417:, of December 1999, uses "Kačanik" alone). For the moment, the Serbo-Croatian names -with our without caron & diacritics- are the ones the greatest number of English speakers would find in print, and thus most easily recognize (the basic idea of our 1412:

used Turkish names for some locations of Kosovo. But probably because since 1912 Kosovo has been part of Serbia/Yugoslavia for almost a century, the English language has usually adopted the Serbo-Croatian names for the region of Kosovo (e.g. the NGS map

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The Anglicised name comes first, the Albanian name comes second and the Serbian name (current article title) comes third. I propose moving the article to the Anglicised name for two main reasons: 1. It is the Common Name in the English language. 2. per

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We have to opt between the Serbian name and the Albanian name, not to be left with a diacritic-less name that nobody would know how to read properly. Since the town seems to have Albanian majority, it might be reasonable to move to "Kaçanik" though.

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is exactly where this is based. Since there is no encyclopedia, the other sources (news sources and google test) are used, as per the guideline. This tests show that there is no "one" most used english version, but at least two. So, in this case,

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So you don't have any evidence for common name? Things have changed since 2008, ie what the media and books in the English language refer to towns as. Knowledge (XXG) should reflect this change. Knowledge (XXG) needs to keep up with the times.

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of the points in the article simply using c which I am guessing is because people don't think its really important in a non title context. also WP:CRITERIA : Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles.

2817:- Regarding Common Name, from the evidence shown above (or from other evidence) which 'foreign looking' name do you prefer, Kačanik or Kaçanik? There are three varieties of spelling for the town and this RM has turned into a three choice RM. 2307:(p. 14): "Im Buch wird in der Regel die serbische Schreibweise statt der albanischen verwendet: Priština statt Prishtina, Peć statt Peja und Kosovo statt Kosova. Daher steht keine Absicht. Es ist nur eine Konzession an den Umstand, daß 2281:, which mentions the issue of "names and terminology" (p. xxiii): "For the sake of clarity and consistency, Human Rights Watch provides both the Serbian and the Albanian name at first mention of any location. Subsequent references are 1816:

tend to follow English-language media in their aversion to diacritics in scores and scores of cases. I can direct you to a list including many of them, if you're interested. I won't claim that we've been entirely consistent, but a

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would be my first preference, Kacanik second, but it's definitely got to be moved away from Kačanik. Many anglophone sources may have used Kacanik due to technical limitations; we don't have those limitations. The most popular

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native usage. The nominator has illustrated many appearances in English, from which we can choose one of the common forms. At any rate, it cannot stay at "Kačanik", as this is no longer Serbian territory, it should be "

2036:* the actual most used name. Google test makes it clear that Kaçanik, Kačanik and Kacanik are used in English, and nothing is clear, for which one is most used. As such the term of the majority should be used as per 726:

WP:NCGN is quite clear on this point "Consult major news sources, either individually, or by using Lexis-Nexis, if accessible. If they agree in using a given name, it is widely accepted." This is not about using the

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Our naming conventions don't ask us to use the local name (be it of the local population or the local administration), but instead the name the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize. -

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it seems that in Kaçanik a 99.7 % of the population is of Albanian language. That means that the it should go to Kaçanik page, unless you find a consensus for the English name (which it seems to not exist:)).

1777:- first, as Ev points out, the Serbian name is standard in English. Just because English-language media outlets have an aversion to diacritics, however, does not mean we should (or do); hence, by default, 3060:- Have you got any evidence to suggest what is the common name? Also this discussion has changed course now to Kaçanik v Kačanik. What are your views on that? Have you got any evidence to help us here? 1335:, or to use another name ("Kacanik" in this case). Since you oppose the three of them, you wish to create a new guideline. There is no other solution, since Kačanik cannot be used in any of these cases. 499:

Kachanik should also be considered instead of any of the two local native names (Serbo-Croatian and Albanian). It is used in English language media and resembles English pronounciation. Some examples:

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I had also tried a search on : Kaçanik qyteti (Kaçanik AND town in Albanian) but that was inconclusive. I had looked at parallel Knowledge (XXG) articles with a first attempt failing to find this:

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As Japanese isn't written in the Latin alphabet, English tends to be rather more permissive in its transliteration. When Serbian was written more exclusively in Cyrillic, it too was transliterated:

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Thanks but this discussion had turned into a three way RM by the time you had entered, other users had concerns about the lack of diacritics; a new proposal by other users has been put forward.

2418:. The Anglicisation of the town's name (replacing the "č" with a "c") is the most common name for the town in the English language. I've done google books tests on all three names for the town: 2772:. I like foreign (from a UK perspective) looking names just for the sake of WP:CRITERIA recognisability. People will immediately see an article in English about a subject that's not English 402:). As Andrewa points out, population numbers and ruling authorities are irrelevant in our naming conventions. Prague is neither ruled nor numerically dominated by English speakers (outside 523: 2924:

On another point it might be worth Knowledge (XXG) developing a guideline on the appropriate use of the use of variant letters in the Latin script in article titles or maybe not. .. also

2956:: Use commonly recognizable names. I find Kačanik or Kaçanik more recognisable due to the use of the non standard Latin script. I would have liked to have found the government page. 1758:. Well, maybe, but no. It is nit that, it is the official name of the town. There is no official albanian name, just used albanian name, and there is no need for changing that. Nenad, 2918:... but I give up with that. Without checking creation dates of articles it may be difficult to be sure that article creators did not just follow the format of the English article. 1279:, as it is clear not only in the discussion but also per sources, the English name of the town is unclear, or both version are used. As such, per WP:NCGN, the acquarite name would be 1136:. The sources tell us how they render the name of the town Kačanik in their publications--they do not tell us whether the English name of the town is Kačanik or Kaçanik or Kacanik.-- 361: 2210:

Ok, since my general perception of English usage derived from years of reading English-language publications is viewed as pure speculation, I have now provided some sources on

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particular cases of comparing xxxxYxxx with xxxxȲxxx, the tool's too blunt for the job. There is a problem of insufficient corpus, but that's a minor problem in comparison.

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Sure, I guess it's "valid", whatever that means. Any discussion is valid, and any discussion may result in any action. There's no commandment that page-moves be handled via

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Yes, you dida good search. I did "Kačanik" -"Kaçanik" search, and reverce, and had simillar results. You are right, Kacanik is not the most common name in google search. --

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for controversial moves to go through RM, but it is certainly not required. A thorough discussion can be had, a consensus established, and the page moved, without any

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This is not correct. You've forgot to restrict the search to English language only. If You do that, than there are much more results for "Kačanik" than for "Kaçanik".

3251:- Kaçanik is both the all time and 2008-14 Common Name. It gets almost twice as many results in the all time search and well over triple results in 2008-14 search. 3199:- Kaçanik is both the all time and 2008-14 Common Name. It gets almost twice as many results in the all time search and well over double results in 2008-14 search. 3162:

Here are the Google Scholar (formerly Google Journal) search results which searches for media other than books. It is set to search specifically with diacritics:

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and it says that "adopting the name used by the linguistic majority" is just one of the solutions, while there is no official policy concerning this situation.

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There is no obligation to list such move requests here; discussions of page moves can always be carried out at the article's talk page without adding an entry.

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That's some good evidence - sources that directly address the naming question, in terms of familiarity to English-speaking readers. Thanks for finding it. -

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over the last few years have resulted in the dropping of diacritics, precisely because of what English-language media does. This is simply an observation. -

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Wrong. That's just a diacritic-less version of the most common spellings (Kačanik and Kaçanik). We don't go for those and always use local names for towns.

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where it was agreed not to use either the Albanian or the Serbian name, instead to use the Anglicised name for the town. Here is my google books evidence:

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On Vanjagenije: Google English language search, and You'll see that "Kačanik" gives 13,200 results, while "Kaçanik" gives 3,790 and "Kacanik" would have

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THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.

1249:. Also since here is a dispute about the english version we should use the local version of teh name. According to WP:NCGN a proposed solution is 1541: 1349:

I do not oppose Google test. Try Google English language search, and You'll see that "Kačanik" gives 13,200 results, while "Kaçanik" gives 3,790.

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is to follow English usage where it can be determined, and to adopt the name used by the linguistic majority where English usage is indecisive

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as that gets more hits than the current article's title "Kačanik" which is the third most common name for the town in the English language.

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that « name can be considered as widely accepted if a neutral and reliable source states: "X is the name most often used for this entity".»

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to follow English usage where it can be determined, and to adopt the name used by the linguistic majority where English usage is indecisive

2788:) 18:27, 19 August 2014 (UTC) The opposition reference was opposition from a change from the use of a non standard Latin lettering as in 2632:

to use diacritics (though I do). It is the general practise at Knowledge (XXG) which is an encyclopedia, not a news service or a blog.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Follow English usage where it can be determined, and to adopt the name used by the linguistic majority where English usage is indecisive

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name, whichever is it, but the most used name in English. And the sources above, show that Kacanik is the most known name in English.

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name, whichever is it, but the most used name in English. And the sources above, show that Kacanik is the most known name in English.

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not Kézdivásárhely, despite the fact that in all three cases, the ethnic majority routinely uses the second of the names given. -

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The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.

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I want it moved to "Kacanik" because that is the common name/ spelling for the town in the English language. This is taken from

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is clear on that point and Ev's arguments are a pure speculation (see above). BW's arguments are based on what is stated on

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believes in important) google book search and the 2008-14 google book search, both of which favour Kaçanik over Kačanik.

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Such raw Google searches are almost meaningless, even without considering Knepflerle's comments above. – Please, see

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And there is a clear situation where "Kacanik" (in brackets, in order not to be confused with other versions of "c")

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We are here discussing about moving "Kačanik" to "Kaçanik". That is the request. We are not talking about "Kacanik".

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Here are the English Language only Google Books search results. It is set to search specifically with diacritics:

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I saw the above discussion about the move of the page, but I am relisting it, as the argument was not sufficient.

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That is not what our naming policies say we should do. If that's what you want, go and propose a policy change.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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What they think is english is of no interest to us. Only real neutral english common name should be relevant. --

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placenames primarily, with Serbian placenames given secondarily (see e.g. Gizi Map's Kosovo Geographical Map (

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The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.

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people outside Kosovo are still more familiar with names like Pec and Djakovica rather than Peja and Gjakova

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not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.

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As a sidenote, Thomas Schmid mentions the same thing in regard to the German language in his 1999 book

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On all contributors, it seems that you do not get my point. The problem is that Kačanik *

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until evidence of relative usage in English-language texts is given (as is required per

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That is what DEFAULTSORT is there for. Diacritics should not be an excluding reason. --

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all seem to have accents. And I note the continuing presence of diacritics at

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The Serbs: History, Myth, and the Destruction of Yugoslavia

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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Who says that 632:, etc, use the name Kacanik and not Kačanik. 8: 2778:perhaps but I didn't mean to put it in bold. 2285:(for example, Pristina and not Prishtina)." 1954:, herself a Serb, is a recent exception). - 1209:alphabet, which is in Serbian Latin spelled 1781:in press sources is assumed to be a use of 1168:May I remind you that according to WP:NCGN 3380:I have just modified one external link on 2929:https://sq.wikipedia.org/Diskutim:Kaçaniku 1216:, take a look) gives the official name as 362:polling is not a substitute for discussion 3490:I have just modified 2 external links on 2296:rather than Albanian simply because they 2128:Knowledge (XXG):NCGN#Multiple local names 2086:a clear usage here.". I say that "There * 1691:Knowledge (XXG):NCGN#Multiple local names 1610:Knowledge (XXG):NCGN#Multiple local names 1381:Knowledge (XXG):NCGN#Multiple local names 1331:The other solutions of WP:NCGN is to use 1311:Knowledge (XXG):NCGN#Multiple local names 1285:Knowledge (XXG):NCGN#Multiple local names 883:use diacritics, and if so, which form do 2288:Paul Hockenos mentions in his 2003 book 2018:). I hope that wasn't too convoluted. - 2002:. Similarly, this city used to be spelt 1050:Knepflerle gave me in a similar case. - 2648:). If you think the page should be at 2244:naming conventions for geographic names 505:1911 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica 1536:, while "Kačanik" (again in brackets) 614:, while "Kačanik" (again in brackets) 225:You are working agains the UNMIK - Law 142:name are the names presentit in : --> 119:name are the names presentit in : --> 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2978:for your useful insight. Here is the 219:You are working agains the Kosovo Law 87:http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html 7: 2473:Kacanik -Knowledge (XXG) = 201 Books 2382:The result of the move request was: 2242:Do take into consideration that our 1245:the official names the other one is 366:Knowledge (XXG)'s naming conventions 2515:Kacanik -Knowledge (XXG) = 67 Books 959:excused by anyone else's actions. - 577:The result of the move request was 228:You are working agains the UN - Law 2642:List of populated places in Serbia 2279:Under Orders: War Crimes in Kosovo 1540:and "Kaçanik" (again in brackets) 379:Knowledge (XXG):naming conventions 24: 3494:. Please take a moment to review 3384:. Please take a moment to review 2871:heading titles link to articles: 2857:https://sq.wikipedia.org/Kaçaniku 1994:versus more recent arrivals like 152:(hier is oficele user)</u: --> 124:. This is for albanian language. 2534: 2521: 2509: 2492: 2479: 2467: 2444: 2433: 2423: 147:. 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It is 282:The result of the proposal was 1939:that have passed through WP:RM 1723:A clear general English usage 1375:Yes, but "Kacanik" would have 303:00:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC) 1: 2920:sq:Kategoria:Qytete_në_Kosovë 2395:02:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC) 537:12:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC) 483:12:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC) 463:12:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC) 450:11:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC) 436:07:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC) 416:19:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC) 391:22:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC) 354:, then sign your comment with 331:06:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC) 70:Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo 3598:16:51, 7 December 2017 (UTC) 2695:), both published in 2007)." 2640:which use diacritics (as do 2163:Fair enough: see sources on 3344:17:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3323:06:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC) 3309:19:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3283:17:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3261:16:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3209:16:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3149:15:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3131:14:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 3108:21:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 3093:18:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 3070:18:14, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 3050:17:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 3017:17:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2992:23:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC) 2966:03:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC) 2948:03:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC) 2845:14:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 2827:19:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC) 2806:14:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 2758:17:07, 19 August 2014 (UTC) 2736:07:49, 14 August 2014 (UTC) 2706:10:22, 15 August 2014 (UTC) 2665:02:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC) 2652:, by all means propose it. 2624:07:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC) 2605:02:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC) 2581:23:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC) 2563:17:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC) 2266:And again in his 2002 book 1544:results. 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