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Turkish: kadayif, künefe." - but not "kadaif" - and these are all referring to the shredded pastry itself, in addition to dishes made with it. So far, I have not heard any strong arguments for why Knowledge should prefer "kadayif" (let alone "kadaif") over "kanafeh" for the article's title. I'm also not really seeing good reasons to split the article in two, one for the dough and one for the various desserts made from it, when for the most part, in whichever language, the same word is used for both, or there isn't really a distinction made. We don't have separate articles for "pizza" and "pizza dough". The sources cited in the article cover them both together in the same sections too. If we did split it, why should we not use the Arabic word for the pastry too? Even if we were to use the Turkish nomenclature, again I don't see why we'd need a separate article for "kadayıf the pastry dough" and "kadayıf the pastry dessert".
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gatherings 2. Families and communities pass down their own unique recipes and techniques to make the desert, contributing to its vast cultural footprint 3. Knafeh's versatile ability allows different countries and communities putting their own twist on the traditional dessert. Knafeh variations such as Palestinian Knafeh Nabulsieh, the Turkish Künefe, or the Lebanese Knafeh, reflect the significance and diversity of Knafeh 4 5. Through times of sorrow and success Knafeh continues to demonstrate the warmth and hospitality of cultural traditions 6. Knafeh has played a significant role in the cultural significance of the Middle East and beyond. (if you allow me to add this i have sources for my information that i will add if i get permission)
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origins which is why I changed it. Kanafeh is a Levantine food that is also found in Greece, Turkey, and The Balkans, calling it simply an Arabic food is suggesting that All four of those regions fall under the Arabic label, which they do not, the regions have had Arabic influence in various points in their histories but that does not make them Arabic. I have made the lead sentence reflect that and the source confirms it. This change is also consistent with the rest of the article as it goes into the variants of Kanafeh by country below.
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kanafeh. So let's say I'm not a fan of mentioning it, and it doesn't seem pressing, but if it is mentioned it shouldn't receive undue weight nor imply anything that isn't said in the sources, as was the case in the last couple of iterations. I'm not an expert on kanafeh, but I don't think any of the restaurants where I've seen it served are Palestinian; one is Egyptian, that much I know.
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of Nablus". It naturally leads to questions like, "Who is the source of the information?". What is the credibility ? None. Some other newspaper may as well say it is a russian dessert. Should we also write that it is a Russian dessert ? So unless there is a clear evidence, it is mere speculation and should not be treated as a fact.
3305:, calling it a "Turkish noodle", appears to be a "pov fork" of this one. There has been no evidence presented that the string-pastry is of Turkish origin, see the "History" section of the article. It's found from the Balkans to Egypt. The most common name for it in English seems to be kataifi, from the Greek, see for example 2205:, as indeed there are sources saying it originated in Nablus). In view of the sources, I still think it is relevant to mention, in the lead, that the most famous Kanafeh is from Nablus. (My own completely OR: whenever I have travelled in the Arab world, (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Palestine/Israel) Nablus has been the 3309:. I don't know where the spelling "kadaif" comes from; the one source given there, Martha Stewart's website, says it's Albanian. I'm not necessarily opposed to a separate article for the string-pastry and for desserts made from it, though I'm not yet convinced it's necessary. If so, we would need to determine the 2260:
cheese, originated elsewhere. I don't think there is enough evidence now - and there may never be - to definitively state that the origin of all historical versions of kanafeh is Nabul, or not. The best approach would be to present a History section that discusses it in more detail, based on reliable sources. --
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This has turned out to be a rather complicated question, and several people are now involved in how to resolve it with a view to keeping several topics with overlapping names straight, to arrange the information about them in a clear and systematic way. Therefore, please don't make unilateral changes
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In what language? In Arabic, the string/noodle pastry is called kanafeh. So is the cheese or cream-filled dessert made with it (but also with other pastry). This article covers both things. In Turkish, the same string-pastry is called tel kadayif and some stuffed desserts made with it (which would be
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My question is how to deal with it, while minimizing the potential for edit-warring over national origin claims, and also avoiding a proliferation of separate articles about the same subject, with different non-English-language names. There might be an article about the string-pastry, which is itself
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that what you'd written was off-point. My supposition was reinforced by your reversion of the change that had been correctly made by another editor to indicate that kanafeh is found broadly in the Arab world rather than being specifically Palestinian. What you wrote here also seemed to be intended as
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corroborates this: "Depending on where one is in Palestine, it is customary to serve a sweet such as baklava, ... or a West Bank favorite from Nablus, kanafeh, with honeyed Nablusi cheese beneath a finely shredded noodlelike pastry, dyed orange and sprinkled with crusted pistachios." Again, it's this
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Nablus is known for its various deserts, not only knafah. So why knafah is called kanafah nabulsi, or kanafeh from jerusalem? why not cairo or damascene? In Palestine its eaten on a daily basis, sometimes even more than once a day. Whoever has not been to Palestine and seen it, can not negotiate its
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in the lead the special popularity of Palestinian kanafeh, it doesn't strike me as lead material, though it's entirely appropriate where it's mentioned in the body of the article. It's a matter of the difference between the significance of kanafeh to Palestine versus the significance of Palestine to
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If you argue B in a manner that makes it appear as though you think you are arguing A (in other words, changing the subject in a discussion with no sign whatsoever that you're intending to change the subject), when what you're writing has nothing to do with A, then you're creating your own problem.
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It may be so, however without any credible source, saying that it IS originated in Nablus is wrong because the article (which in fact is only an article in a newspaper...) sited as justification says that "A very fine vermicelli-like pastry, kunafa is said to have originated in the Palestinian town
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I have read articles that place the origins of these desserts in the kitchens of the Fatimids and of Sultan Saladin in Egypt. I have also seen articles that place them in Halab and others that place them in Ottoman Turkey or even Ottoman Greece. Until someone provides factual evidence as to where
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i think your are not arabic talker فهو اول من اتخذها means in Arabic first person ever to eat it ,al-'Umari was nearer from us to the event even all those books how are talking about the orgin there is gap between them and the story, al-'Umari was in mamalik period and he died in cairo if the dish
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it originated but I am guessing it was far back, possibly before the Ottoman Empire ruled the region, I'm sure we can find out with a little research. I have been lucky enough to have many different varieties of Kanafeh living here in the U.S., I have had Greek, Palestinian, Lebanese, Turkish, and
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Hallo Lazyfoxx, first of all I wanted only to excuse myself for the revert of yesterday. Since this article is object of a low intensity edit war, and you changed the reference, I reverted you without reading it before. SOM! Anyway, an alternative definition could be "a dish typical of the regions
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Also, you appear to be ill-informed about the subject. The statement above is wrong. Turkish künefe and Arab kanafeh dishes are not significantly different. Both can be made either with fine semolina (farkeh, for kanafeh na'ameh كنافة ناعمة) or with kunafeh/kadayif/kataifi shredded dough. See for
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This seems like the story (one of several, said to have taken place in various times and places) mentioned in the next paragraph. I would be interested to find a quotation of al-'Umari regarding it. I'm not sure if the book has been translated to English, but there's a 1927 French translation, as
2025:, a sweetened cheese dessert with semolina on top, bathed in syrup, being the most popular in Lebanon and Syria." So far, we know that it's the most popular of the sweet desserts in Lebanon and Syria. Then we learn: "The topping is made of orange-dyed vermicelli in Palestine and Jordan; and named 1567:
No problem at all Alex, I perfectly understand, and I even assumed that was the case with your revert. I personally like the phrase "a dish typical of the regions belonging to the former Ottoman Empire", that is a very inclusive descriptor and I think that would work well in the opener. My only
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says about its origin is "This sweet traces its origins back to the Ottoman Empire and can still be found in various forms all through the former empire’s dominion." The only thing it says about kanafeh in connection with Nablus is "However, all through the Middle East, the city of Nablus is the
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made with Nabulsi cheese originated in Nablus, Palestine. However, this article is also about other variations, including historical ones. There are conflicting reports about the history of kanafeh, and it may be that a precursor to the Palestinian version, made with for example nuts instead of
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that support the change you want to be made. I don't disagree that the treatment of Nablusi knafeh as a classic might be getting mistaken (by many) with Nablus being the point of origin of knafeh, but we can't write specify information on the basis of an edit request without suitable sourcing.
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Hi, let me explain the recent change to avoid blind reverting here. The previous source identified Kanafeh as an Arabic food, this is a Linguistical/Cultural label for the food, which may very well work for some countries that Kanafeh is native to, but that is not fully inclusive of the foods
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in the Encyclopedia of Jewish Food says: "Kanafeh is a very fine semolina dough that is shredded and made into pastries. The dough is usually coated with butter and baked or fried.", and gives "Other names: Arabic: knafeh; Egyptian: konafa, kunafa; Greek: kadaifi, kataifi; Persian: ghaatayef;
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was in mamlik or fatmid period he must have the story, if you want me to add a sentence that this is a narration from the book it is not a certain fact i will do, i hope we will rich an agreement , and we can put all that have been mentioned in the old books and people will decide, thank you
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Knafeh holds significant cultural importance across the Middle East. Knafeh has been served not just as a dessert but as a symbol of celebration and community through the ages. Knafeh can be found in festive occasions such as weddings, Muslim holidays like Ramadan and Eid, and other special
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in Turkish. Or it may have arisen independently, perhaps in Anatolia, and been popular before being incorporated into the kanafeh dish. I would be very interested to find reliable historical sources about that question! As it stands though, I'm not aware of any that support either viewpoint.
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I would not write anything specific about its Palestinian origin before having a good reference (I wonder if it is present in the Oxford Companion to Food). In Istanbul I had also kadaif, and I don't understand why the article states that is Greek... I think that this is ottoman as well.
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Orign of knafeh is in Egypt as the original dessert was brought into Egypt with the Fatimid who built the city of Cairo in 969 and made Egypt the centre of their state and some sources say it was made by the egyptians to ummayeds only the nabulsi knafeh is the Palestinian version of it
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I would like to add a section about the cultural significance of knafeh for as a man of middle eastern descent living in america things such as knafeh have kept me connected to my culture here is the section below. i hope you can take this edit into consideration -sincerely FSPCDS24
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suggestion would be to add a "especially the Levant" at the end of that to emphasize the dish's Levantine origin. Otherwise the opener could read "A Levantine dish, typical of the regions belonging to the former Ottoman Empire." I like the latter the most, what do you think?
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In an unrecorded process, a pastry wrapper in the form of vermicelli-like threads evolved around the thirteenth century, the Arabs calling it by an old flatbread name, kunāfa, and the Persians, Turks, and Greeks by forms of qatạ̄'if (respectively ghatāyef, kadayif, and
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to me know that "kadayif" and "kadaif" and "katayef" and "qatayef" are all different anglicizations of what in Arabic is one word, قطايف, which might be romanized as qaṭayif or qaTayif. We're in the same territory, as far as disambiguation is concerned, as we are with
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Hallo, I restored Palestine as origin of the dish, according to the sources in the article. Of course Kanafeh is popular in Israel, like in all the Levant, but in the lead we describe (if known) the origin of the dish. If you don't agree, please discuss here, thanks.
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As I said above, we currently have very weak sources for the origin of the dish. Let's see if we can get better ones. It is very frustrating that the source that talks about a 10th century reference to kanafeh doesn't say what that reference is. I'll guess it is the
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Since there has been no further discussion, and no consensus to split or fork the article, I've restored the redirect of "kadaif" to this article. It has much more information and sources about the subject. I remain open to suggestions for further improvement.
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Region or state section in the Infobox should be expanded as there are countries which are not obviously in Arab world but have PGI protected "Knafeh" types. I suggest to change "Region or state" from "Arab World" to "Arab World, Turkey, Iran, Greece".
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That is absolutely not true .. and your referene is not a reliable one. Kinafa originated from Nablus in the west bank in Palestine. It is served in Egypt, but that doesnt make it egyptian. Sushi is serve in egypt, doesnt make Sushi egyptian.
2865:". Mentions of sweets called kanafeh go back to the 13th century or earlier, while the string-pastry with batter dribbled from a perforated cup doesn't show up until the 15th. To my knowledge there's no evidence of where, or with what name ( 1126: 3313:. But I'm definitely opposed to having multiple articles claiming different national origins or ownership for the same thing: Turkish kadayif, Greek kataifi, Lebanese knefeh sha'r, Albanian kadaif, etc. See also the discussion from 2018 in 2161:
failure to do that that led to my response, so your admonishment to me is terribly ironic. Your first post in this section was entirely irrelevant to what I'd written, and here you are perplexed that I responded as I did. I assumed you
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using those ingredients... So it's not totally clear to me what the best way to split things would be. There are several things that are basically the same but with different names, and things that are different with the same
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Since al-'Umari was writing about events almost seven hundred years earlier, we can't take it as fact; it may well be an apocryphal story. If it was true, we could expect that kunafa would have been mentioned in al-Warraq's
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I think that is a good definition, since many say that the dish originates from Palestine (but until now none brought a serious reference about it). Go for it! BTW, I always ate it in Istanbul, and interestingly my
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do, and this article to some extent tries to do. Unfortunately, it seems like it's impossible to choose a name for such an article, and avoid people edit-warring over the real true authentic origin of everything...
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I have moved or removed a number of citations that failed verification and did not contain the stated information. Several of them related to the origin of kanafeh. I think it is abundantly clear that the famous
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I'm coming to realize that I was a bit premature in writing some of what I've written because, while the noodle and the cheesy pastry and the rolled pancake are three things, each of which meriting coverage, it
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It's a common misconception that edit requests give the requester permission to edit the page, which isn't the case. Please include all the text you want added, including citations, so somebody else can add
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Muawiyah used to be hungry in Ramadan, and he complained about that to Ibn Athal (11) the doctor, so he took kunafa for him, so he used to eat it during the pre-dawn meal, so it was the first time he took
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on top of that: are any of these meanings individually, or are they collectively, more likely known to English speakers under the Arabic romanization or under the Turkish (using "d" instead of "t")?
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what you say about the names, especially if you're claiming that the pastry dough (it's not "noodles") is commonly called "kadaif" in Arabic, Turkish, or English. We can't just take your word for it.
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Being the most famous kanafeh in the Arab world is equivalent to neither being the only kanafeh, as would be necessary to make a special point of saying only Nablus, out of the entire Arab world,
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Kanafeh being "a way of life in Nablus" is, likewise, equivalent to neither kanafeh having no existence or even popularity elsewhere in the Arab world nor to Nablus being its place of origin.
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The Levant specifically (not the Ottoman domains in general) seems to be the core region; note that Antakya and Gaziantep (Aintab) are part of the Levantine cultural area in many ways.
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but without cheese, and other variations, also in various countries. They can be layered with nuts or clotted cream, which corresponds more or less to Egyptian and Syrian versions of
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It has its own article in lots of languages, as it should: no cheese, just noodles, sometimes nuts. Different dessert! It shares as many common features with baklawa as with knafeh.
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Greek kataifi is my favourite. It is called KatEEfee in Cyprus. I don't know how they spell it. Maybe it's a dialect pronunciation of kataifi Vince Calegon 05:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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Kanafeh come from Nablus. I suggest we have that in the lead, (And yes, there are also sources saying that Kanafeh (and not only a variant of it) originated in Nablus (see eg p.
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called kanafeh in Arabic) are called kadayif, but a cheese-filled version in Hatay is called künefe. So, at least in one sense, "kadayif" and "kanafeh" are in fact synonyms.
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You aren't "prohibited" from creating your own problem in comprehensibility, but you have no grounds for doing so and then being put out by the confusion you've produced.
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says: "The West Bank city of Nablus is home of the most famous kanafeh in the Arab world because of its traditional white-brined cheese that is known as Nabulsi cheese."
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Narrative of a journey round the Dead sea and in the Bible lands in 1850 and 1851: Including an Account of the Discovery of the Sites of Sodom and Gomorrah
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Yeah I have read of it's origins in Palestine, perhaps we can make a note of that as well so people know where it originated in the Levant? I am not sure
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I don't believe cheese kanafeh is typical in Greece--kadaifi is filled with nuts (like baklava). The lead seems to be conflating the dough and the dish.
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is not only the name of the dough, it's also the name of the dessert made with the dough. I'm surprised it doesn't already have a stand alone article.
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kunafa, just that he prescribed it. It also sounds more like it was the first time Muawiyah ate it, not that he was the first person ever to eat it?
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place where everyone knows the best knafeh is made. An entire knafeh culture exists there and Nabulsis take great pride in their craft."
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The three out of the four sources given to support a Nablus, or even a Palestine, origin that I can see online don't support that claim.
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Please correct misinformation -Change the name from name from Knafeh to Kunefe. Change place of origin from Nablus to Hatay, Turkey.
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I'm familiar with the different foods and their history. You still don't say where you're getting this information. You'll need to cite
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Your comments are not helpful, because you don't provide any sources or links. "Because I say so" is not a valid argument on Knowledge.
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This entire article is completely riddled with historical flaws and misinformation. Someone needs to consult a historian and rewrite.
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that the redirect term and the destination topic are synonyms. As I already explained to you on my talk page, redirects often lead to
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are often listed as synonyms. Personally I would prefer a more general, comprehensive article that can talk about the whole family of
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redirects here but it shouldn't. It's often prepared without cheese. I'm going to try get a separate article up for it later tonight.
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We really need better sources. The two sources in the lead are (1) a photo caption and (2) from about.com. That's just embarrassing!
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In other words, what you say about the names may be true in your neighborhood, but we need to consider an international viewpoint. --
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I don't think we should call them noodles. Some blogs call it "vermicelli" but others disagree explicitly. The sources are lacking.
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This article in Arabic all about making the dough calls it "kunafa", or "kunafa baladi" ("traditional", for the handmade style):
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You keep saying that (in your edit summary and on my talk page) while ignoring the response I've give you, which is that it's
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article that is strictly about Turkish things, and excludes Greek or Arab versions? I would be wary of one article saying "
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I'm not able to find a good reference for the name of the dough itself, in Arabic, if there is one that is different from
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About Arabic, I'm not seeing evidence of Arabs calling the dough "kadaif". It's called "knafe" or "osmaliyah" in Lebanon.
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version with the orange-dyed vermicelli (fine noodles) and, incidentally, honeyed Nablusi cheese that comes from Nablus.
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Thanks! I have no sources too, and my only book about Ottoman Cuisine reports no Kanafeh (but 4 variants of Kadayif).
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Through times of sorrow and success Knafeh continues to demonstrate the warmth and hospitality of cultural traditions
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friends say that it is not a Turkish dish, but an Arab one (in Turkey the best Kunefe comes from Antakya). Cheers,
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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itself). That didn't appear until much later, somewhere around the 14th or 15th century. There is also Turkish
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topics, where information on the redirected topic can be found when it doesn't have an article of it's own.
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from OUP are talking about Qatayef, which may be related to the modern day kunefe, but the common usage of
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in Greek, etc. What name would be used for the article? Is there a common English name? Why should we use
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city mentioned as being "the hometown" of Kanafeh. (I have never eaten kanafeh outside the Middle East.))
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these desserts were originally developed, any chronological reference in the article is unjustified.
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a justification for your reversion, yet didn't. So it seemed appropriate to explain the discrepancy.
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instead of kataifi, or kadaif for example, which are more common in English? Would you propose a
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So yes, it is one version only from Nablus...but everyone seem to be in agreement that it is the
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well as the Arabic. I can't find it online though. Does anyone have access to it? Thanks. --
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it to be responsive, though, so I then answered you based on my supposition that you didn't
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I may be wrong, but the best I can understand of the 14th-century Arabic is something like:
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It's not only in the lead; in the "Variants" section there's a subsection for Balkan/Greek
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say: "Knafeh is most famously from the Palestinian city of Nablus on the West Bank..."
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but with nuts instead of cheese), and flat trays that are cut into squares, similar to
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We have a dedicated article, we can't have the same term connect to 2 diff. articles!
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loved each variety, I think my favorite is the Palestinian type however, delicious!
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She's actually been taking it all the way back at least to her May 8 version.
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The kadaif noodles are used for various desserts, knafeh is just one of many.
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I see no discussions above that explain why you are reverting the article.
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The Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets. Oxford University Press. p. 447.
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Qatayef it's dumplings stuffed with cheese. Kaddif is a flat cake.
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There is an interesting info on Kanafe, used in Jerusalem, here:
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due to its origin, Nablus (West Bank)." In other words, this
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