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From what I can gather, "Zephyrad" (if that is your real name) pops up on these pages from time to time to criticise and leave his little cleanup headers without actually contributing anything of any worth. If you (Zephyrad) feel one or two things need changing, then change them! Then we can see if
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Check the article's history... and my history of contributions in general, before you make such accusations. According to your own (anonymous) edit history, this is the first article you have EVER EDITED, so I'd say you're not in much position to speak. If it isn't, I have to wonder why you're not
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Tarrant. I've removed most of the Tarrant references, because they aren't relevent now that the house has been shown to be not by him. T A Allen's original plans can be viewed on the Kenwood blog. There was also no games room on the ground floor during Lennon's time -
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Swenarton's 1992 publication "Inventory of Tarrant Built Houses On St George's Hill". The Kenwood information is contained in the chapter "Other Notable Houses Built On St George's Hill Between 1910 And 1938". The Surrey History Centre has copies of the research upon which she based the
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connection was the original external garage, built by
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