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Canadian Hot 100 - but to maintain uniformity across the website they had to remove the "featuring Kesha" since the American chart is their main focus - and on that chart that particular song wasn't featuring Kesha. I mean, if there is only one nation where there is no credit on the released single, shouldn't it really be in a featured singles box? There is a reason why Ke$ ha isn't credited in the States but obviously it was a local issue. They wouldn't have released the song everywhere else as "Right Round (feat. Ke$ ha)" otherwise and the song could've been easily retitled on iTunes stores. If the international label wrote out on the single 'feat. Ke$ ha' then she has an official credit.
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a long way CLARIFYING certifications, not confusing them. Singles ARE updated more regularly than albums, actually, especially a hitmaker, like Kesha's. Warrior's sales haven't been updated since FOREVER, and Tik Tok was announced as having 15 million copies sold a few months ago. Certifications ARE not SALES. And if you don't believe that, then look at existing examples, like
368:) was told by someone in Flo Rida's or Kesha's camp to remove her name as a featured artist (she was "featured" on the US chart also, but only for 2 weeks, then it was gone). Even the $ in her name is a reference to her not being paid for her work on the song, so obviously something happened there. Seems more appropriate to leave "Right Round" in "other appearances". -
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I didn't...? But it quite obviously should be on there. She has the credit as shown in the link, and she had the credit for the UK Charts as well. It's definitely part of her (featured singles) discography and I'm baffled as to why she isn't on there now, it's been over one year since Right Round was
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It has to be large enough now, not hoping it will become larger in the future. We can't make an article about a movie, tv show, etc that we believe will be made. What you are really saying it that it will grow which is only speculation. At this point, it is list cruft. It can easily fit inside
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I believe her cameo was once included in the Music videos section, but it was removed without a real reason. Should it be included again, since it seems to be standard practice in other discographies (until a consensus is reached on the current issue with Other chared songs and music videos).
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she didn't write it, she was just asked to do the demo, however her "run run run" backing vocals are still on the final version so that should be listed. As well, why is backstabber under "2011", it was recorded and shot in 2009 and never officially released.
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I thought about that too, but with the fast success of the album and Blah Blah Blah already debuting at #7 on the Hot 100, a second single is imminent at this point. It's not officially a single yet, but it's bound to be pretty soon. Might as well keep it.
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No i dont think so. Music video sections are for the artist features and their own videos. It was neither her song nor was she featured in it, simply made a 5 second cameo. Maybe under "Other appearances"
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Cannibal can't chart in conjuction in countries where it wasn't even released. Maybe I'm reading into it too hard.
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This simply isn't true. In most countries, the EP was not released at all. Only the repackage. There wasn't any charting in conjuction with, it wasn't released.
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