Talk:Killing of Shani Louk/Archive 1

1707:("Das israelische Außenministerium bestätigt den Tod der jungen Frau."). A fragment of her skull was found at the site of the massacre and the source notes that, after all, in the video it was possible to see that she has a gunshot wound to her head (from what I've been reading in the past week, there have been some other reliable sources that have also reported that in the video she is seen with a "head injury", or something to that effect, so this is not the only source that says this). She's among the fatal casualties of the massacre. No comment on "murder" at this time, but I oppose a move from "killing" to "kidnapping" (obviously superseded, there was never truly a confirmation that she has been kidnapped, it was always an inference based on her mother's unverified claim that she is alive), "disappearance" (confirmed dead now, and was initially reported as seen lifeless or even "killed" in the video , before the mother came out with the statement that she is / could be alive, so it just wouldn't work), and I slightly less strongly oppose a move to "death". If there's a desire to move to "death", I think that an RM would be in order. Sincerely — 2813:, so when we have image that appears to have been created primarily to attack or disparage the subject, a discussion at minimum seems warranted as to whether this image complies with our BLP policy need to be conservative, avoid sensationalism, to consider the possibility of harm to living subjects, etc. There appears to be nothing in BLP policy that suggests removal is a one-dimensional consideration of whether the person wanted the image created or how they feel about it, and it appears our considerations are much more encyclopedic and multi-faceted.Also, comparisons to what news sources have done in other cases does not seem particularly applicable here - not only are we not a newspaper, but this article discusses this imagery on social media and various responses, including from the European Commission, which seems to be an additional reason for caution when considering whether inclusion is appropriate here. 3280:, but there the alleged occurrence of friendly fire has already been already covered in another part of the prose. Either way, whatever extended text about the festival in general and the Israeli helicopter allegedly killing civilians belongs in that article, not in this article. Placing it in this article only suggests that Shani Louk was killed by friendly fire. But reliable sources that do cover the killing of Shani Louk (unlike the sources which you have used here) do not contain such a supposition, so writing the article so as to say that Louk could have been killed by friendly fire is original speculation, which is in the realm of 3167: 2668: 1199:

convey this fact, instead of doing original research to simplify the events to a generic kidnapping, which you are doing. The standard of language in this article is fairly high, and it has nothing to do with saying that Louk was paraded in the streets of Gaza, as there is no nice way to put it. You invoked neutrality, but you seem unable to explain what the problem of neutrality is. Why did you, then, even mention neutrality as an issue? We significantly disagree and may need to involve more editors to help us with this dispute. Sincerely. —

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reporting of fact, but a reporting of an allegation. Now it is evident that those unverified claims were not based in reality, because Louk could not have been in a hospital as a patient due to having been dead, as the video shows her dead body; this is according to the new sources, but also according to the initial (correct) reporting. Therefore it's incorrect to speak of an undetermined "status". —

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the music festival massacre. I personally don't believe that the parts about her reportedly in the Gaza Strip with a head wound should be in the families campaign section and figured it could be merged with her now reported death. It can also provide context about why a large chunk of her skull was found (above mentioned head wound). But I'm open to thoughts for organization and naming.

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Additionally, it is logical that they found it there, because its crazy to say they found a random small fragment during a Gaza incursion, without the rest of the body. So, even though technically unsourced, I wouldn't change the article. As a scholarly remark, I express my hope that God avenges her blood so we can add an aftermath section discussing the fate of her attackers.

3414:"נמצא כי בחמאס תכננו להגיע לקיבוץ רעים ולקיבוצים נוספים, וגילו על המסיבה בזמן אמת. עוד עולה ממנו כי מסוק צבאי שירה לעבר מחבלים פגע ככל הנראה גם בכמה חוגגים" (It was found that Hamas planned to reach Kibbutz Reim and other kibbutzim, and found out about the party in real time. It also shows that a military helicopter that fired at terrorists apparently also hit some revelers) 1290:) supports the removal of the specific source from the article. We can examine individual sources, but we have general guidance. I also think raising relevance generally is a NPOV issue, because we look to the available sources to determine what is relevant to include; AVOIDVICTIM also mentions "sourced, neutral, and on-topic" as part of the policy. 235:), ethically, it is more than questionable. All following debate should be on whether this particular kidnapping requires a separate article, or whether it belongs as a part of an entry in an article on the kidnappings and killings. Whether this article, as it stands, under the current title, should remain, needs no debate. 972:

greater number of such sources. Later reporting, when the facts being reported have settled a bit (for example Louk isn't reported as being 30 years old anymore, and WSJ, a reliable source, said early on she's 30 years old, and so did many other sources), is usually more reliable than early reporting. —

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I don't view it as odd or incorrect to have those two elements together. Her death was reportedly confirmed much later and reports her health status/well being while her status was up in the air show the progression of her known status. Both describe her health and life, although I see how reports of

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I agree that it's likely, but the Israelis aren't in a position to confirm anything. It was already stated that she had a head injury, and reported that she was in critical condition in a hospital in Gaza. Now we have an Israeli claim that is simply consistent with that head injury story, but no real

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None of the sources are tabloid?? Do you seriously want to explain how Yahoo News Australia is not tabloid? Business Insider and Business Today are equally low quality, and Barron's (credited above as AFP) is also not an appropriately thorough source for world events. Someone else invoked neutrality,

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Apologies for somewhat edit-warring; I just trusted that CNN wouldn’t misquote the original tweet, and felt that said tweet, had it existed, should’ve been included in the article as it came from an official source who would’ve had access to information CNN wouldn’t necessarily have had. However, as

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There still appears to be a lot of uncertainty, with statements put out and then withdrawn regarding whether a body was found. If a body was indeed found, then most of this page simply needs heavily redacting, because it is apparently about a kidnapping that never happened to Louk, but is instead in

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None of those sources are tabloid and all are considered reliable. If they are hypothetically not the best possible sources (they're fine), they are still reliable sources, and they are not tabloid press. But they are used in conjunction with other sources, which are the best possible sources, which

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I believe this page should be taken down. If Shani is alive, she wasn't able to consent to this, so her potentially finding this in the future can be very damaging. It's highly invasive and inappropriate. Please consider taking this page down and leaving the information to come from official sources

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I disagree that saying that Israel said that the body was found should be added, as what was really found was a part of the skull, and the only reason to believe that the body as in a whole body (as opposed to a very small part of the body) was found would be reading only that tweet. But the source

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Just about every usable source one can imagine agrees that she is dead. The unknown minutiae don't really matter at this point and we can add them if more information is revealed. This page was edited in light of news that she might be alive but reliable sources paint a different picture now and we

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When reporters, commentators, and analysts writing for reputable publications, not tabloids, state certain facts, intentionally provide a certain level of detail, to enable the reader to understand what happened, that is not sensationalism. An encyclopedia can't shy away from difficult topics. This

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There’s not really any theory here; I thought it was relevant information to include as it was (apparently) a direct quote from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I still find it strange that a bone fragment was found and the time was taken to analyse it, as a lot of people died on 7 October

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is false, as everyone did not only read one tweet, or someone maybe did only read it, but, overall, what the reliable sources say is that a bone fragment was found. So most people looking up her death prior to the discovery of the body would have been correctly informed that the bone fragment, and

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Not to worry, I was just annoyed at how choppy the article read with the long section headers....I wasn't to sure on how best to name that section because some of the bits from the families campaign could be merged in. It was kind of a catch all section for Shani's status after the viral video and

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You could support "Death of" over "Kidnapping of" in the meantime because that is certain, and sources no longer say she was kidnapped, and did not really report that as fact prior to the confirmation of death but as a supposition. Please notice how the article never says in wikivoice that she was

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To be clear, AFP is definitely one of the best possible sources. Excellent new agency for world events. Ultimately, none of these sources are used for the description of the video which you mainly contest. The sources are articles from the websites of CNN, The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Times of

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There are no opposing viewpoints in the sources regarding her clothing, it's just that the fewer number of sources who said "naked" as opposed to "half-naked" were being imprecise in their language. Later and more precise sources say "half-naked" or mention something like underwear, and there is a

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You've repeated some of the already contested changes. None of the sources are tabloid or worse than tabloid. "Half-naked" is suitable, and partially clothed is fine. "Parade" is absolutely suitable as that's exactly what happened, according to all of the sources, and that's exactly how we should

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I had quickly followed my initial edit with another edit to reflect references, so the article and lead currently says 'partially naked' and 'partly naked.' I am not opposed to more specific edits to reflect the sources, but it was the total removal of information about her appearance that seemed

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Totally missing from this article is any reference to the originally abduction of Shani from the Re'im festival, and to the (widely circulated and hence widely available) video-recording of that abduction, which shows her being forced onto the back of a motorcycle and then driven (with abductors

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There were no reports of her being alive but injured that affected the family, it's the other way around. The family's campaign affected the reporting. The family told the media that someone from Gaza told them that Louk is alive and in a hospital, but this was never verified, so it was never a

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I agree that the facts are what they are. Saying she was "naked" would be more than the reliable sources have stated and what is visable in the released video. Perhaps a better statement would be "partically clothed" which could be a more respectful way to describe her condition and adhears to

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Just my thoughts. The article describes the bone fragment as being found at the massacre sight. Although this is never stated directly in any source, the german link quotes the mother as saying she now believes Shani died on Oct 7, which does imply she was told the fragment was found on sight.

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objection. This section of BLP policy says it is particularly important in "situations where the subject did not expect to be photographed", which seems to apply here. I also do not think there are any sources that describe this image as anything other than disparaging to Louk; BLP policy also

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The naked body of an woman was paraded through the streets in the back of a pick-up truck yesterday as Hamas fighters sat on her corpse.A celebrating crowd surrounded the armed men in combat fatigues, who shouted "Allah Akbar" from the open back of the truck. The woman was later named as Shani

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An estimated 260 partygoers were murdered. Tens more could be among the 150 Israeli hostages believed to have been taken back to Gaza during the day. A video emerged of Shani Louk, 23, lifeless in the back of a truck, spat upon by Hamas fighters, legs unnaturally bent and her hair matted with

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Several of those sources are tabloid, or worse than tabloid. Most of them don't use the term "naked". "Partially clothed" would be much more suitable. "Parade" is also an unsuitable term for an encyclopaedia, even if it's appropriate for news sources. While we can rely on news sources for the

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You've made it almost impossible to comment for anyone with a NPOV. Personally I found a lot of the KEEP arguments emotive. I favour the opening WP:BLP1E argument. It should be merged into the music festival article. Shani's is a truly distressing story, but I don't find her anything in her

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being quite difficult material to read has nothing to do with tabloid journalism. Removing such details which make it impossible to understand what it means to parade someone in the streets and make a propaganda video out of that, and simplifying this event to a generic kidnapping, would be

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information, encyclopaedias maintain higher standards than news sources of language. I should also point out the blatant misuse of Knowledge guideline, perhaps unintentional, when WP:Neutrality was quoted above, since this is not a matter of viewpoints, therefore does not apply to this.

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This needs no debate. The tragic subject of this article is not a notable person other than for what has recently befell her. If this article exists at all, it should be an article about the events. Either that, or folded into a larger article about the events of this current conflict

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from her head, which is not at all a large chunk of a skull, but a deep seated part of the skull that contains the carotid canal. So the family stuff is in my opinion definitely for the family section and not for a reporting-of-fact section. We shouldn't juxtapose those things.

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Louk's age has been very inconsistent in the sources available to me. I've seen many articles refer to Louk as a 30 year old woman, while others claim that she was 22 (which is the figure that the wikipedia page is currently using). Is there any confirmation on her actual age?

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Still a killing, even in the (let's be honest, highly unlikely given the circumstances of the day) event that it was accidental. If people fire off weapons and they hit someone then they have been killed by any definition, even if they were not the actual intended target! --

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Her body is still missing, and thus this isn't really a case of a "Solved Missing Persons Case." She's not technically been legally declared dead yet, despite the fact that it's a medical certainty. She is still technically missing, even if it's most likely just her corpse.

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Noa Argamani was also taken hostage (I think also fr Reim). From your link, I see she was also taken on motorcycle. (This video does look familiar, and possibly it was Noa A). We should research archives, whatever we can, to find out if Shani was taken in similar way (and

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I could tell you to provide a reliable source about Shani Louk being taken on a motorcycle, but I know for a fact that there isn't any because that is not what happened. You are simply mistaken. Read the article to inform yourself about what happened in the case of Shani

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the videos showing her disfigured body in the back of the truck says otherwise. the IDF found skull bone fracture. remember wikipedia is a place of neutrality. facts matter. and the facts here with all the videos posted by Hamas themselves, shows she was murdered.

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has been wholly misquoted by CNN, despite the article being written an entire day after the tweet. Not sure why they’ve done this - maybe there was another tweet which was later deleted and replaced by this one, and the article was in someone’s drafts for a

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Agreed as there are many missing person articles, and I think this one is no different. The article should be focused on the abduction and crime, and the Article name changed, and not her biography, as she is not notable outside of this event.

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I think including an accessible link would be helpful, especially because this article is at AfD and the widest opportunity possible to review the sources may be useful for participants in the discussion. Is there any indication that

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not the body, was found. I don't know why the writer of that tweet chose the term "body" over "body part". Please see the CNN article as a whole, and don't substitute the quote of the tweet for the whole article. Sincerely —

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if appropriate. This template is meant for requesting edits to an article. You can participate in any of the ongoing discussions without using this template, recommend you add your comments to whichever section you see fit

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is a credible and mainstream weekly, and any idea that this media outlet might reproduce an AFP story substantially inaccurately is completely esoteric, but I did it just to indulge Onetwothreeip. Feel free to revert to

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and it is true that Israel have stated it is very hard to obtain evidence in a war zone - if it was possible to get this piece of evidence and DNA test it, why not do the same for any of the reported incidences of rape?

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That wasn't my point: my point is this is still in the realm of speculation - there is still a lot of information just whizzing around, with a claim of a body put out and then retracted again. It's not clear.

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did not reproduce the AFP source accurately? If not, I think either cite can be used after verification, and the ProQuest template indicating the original source also included in the citation. Thank you,

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Maybe highly unlikely, but that's still the realm of speculation. Most sources about her death talk about confirming her "death", not confirming her killing. Why go beyond the sources when not required?

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and ProQuest versions and the only difference I see is that on ProQuest, there are subsection titles that are not included in the Barron's version, but that does not seem to be a substantive difference.

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There is an image described as Louk, apparently unconscious in the back of a pick up truck with several armed people, apparently copied from Twitter, that was added to the article, and restored over a

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I agree that the victim should be the subject of the article as there is a better category for this topic. As tragic as this event is for her family and friends, it should be in a different category.

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Basically, her family observed a head wound in the video but despite that hoped, according to their statements, that she was alive. But she wasn't alive because an event ocurred which removed the

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We know neither cause of death, nor perpetrator and/or agent. It could have been friendly fire, shrapnel, etc. Killing implies a clear set of circumstances, and that is far from the case here.

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I don't care if you personally think it's likely, that's not what we're dealing with here. I disagree with you, but I can't comment further now. I will probably write something later. Cheers. —

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Agreed that "Death of" is appropriate now, "Killing of" should become appropriate when RS determine it was homicide, and "Murder of" will become appropriate when there is a conviction.

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is false. What was discovered on 30 October 2023 was the bone fragment, and what was discovered on 17 May 2024 was the body or "the rest of the body" if you will. Your assertion that

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would feel the same way about the photos we have there, but they are there because of encyclopedic purpose. We have an image of a man jumping to his death on 9/11 from a skyscraper at

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That's exactly why I support "Killing". In case of ambiguity maybe we should side with the victim and not consider giving the (fairly obvious) aggressor the benefit of the doubt.

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What's more this is a private person, who has been a victim of a horrific attack, and an article about them by name not only violates all wikipedia's policies on this matter (see

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Clad only in her underwear is correct. Squires says "half-naked" and and Sharon says "stripped down to her underwear". Please do something to make the content policy-compliant.—

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rocket warning alarm was sounded, and the attack began, Louk talked on the phone with her mother, saying that there are few places to hide and that she will try to find one.

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through omission—combining certain sources and certain claims to one's liking while omitting the others. Our mission is to benefit readers by providing them with knowledge.

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based on the LA Times source provided by nom. Based on that report, this was no accidental death. She was killed, either gratuitously or as a consequence of self-defense.

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https://fox28savannah.com/news/nation-world/30-year-old-shani-louk-abducted-by-hamas-terrorists-gaza-israel-palestine-war-ricarda-zionist-fighting-middle-east-conflict

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We should be relying on Agence France-Presse directly, not sources which claim to be using their content. I also see no such approval for Yahoo News Australia.

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Die Familie hat die junge Frau auf dem Video erkannt, ein Ex-Freund von Shani Louk hat es ihnen zugeschickt. ... Die 22-Jährige lebt allein in Tel Aviv... (

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I'm heartbroken to witness fellow Wikipedians attempting to downplay or whitewash the atrocities committed by Hamas and other Palestinians, including such

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applies to recently-deceased people, so the recent confirmation of her death does not seem to be a sufficient reason to include the image in the article.

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unsupported by the sources. Thank you for addressing this here, and I hope my follow-up edits at least somewhat help address the concern you have raised.

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emergency response unit had recommended the shredding and burial of the hundreds of motor vehicles in which many of the victims were slaughtered, due to

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You could have taken the term "atrocity propaganda" used in this way from websites promoting conspiracy theories and fringe viewpoints such as seen in a

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I agree with you and think it should be moved, though I have seen in other contexts the name of the victim alone being the title of the article such as

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well looking at the hamasnik's face, he looks particularly uncomfortable, almost as if there is a corpse threatening to touch his boot. (ewwww)

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The family recognized the young woman in the video; an ex-boyfriend of Shani Louk sent it to them. ... The 22-year-old lives alone in Tel Aviv...

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https://www.thejc.com/news/world/family-of-german-woman-whose-naked-body-was-paraded-around-by-hamas-plead-for-information-Rg1t4tb4IsCgIuaAVq1Kw

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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You added content suggesting that Louk was killed by friendly fire and I have removed this content because it was not supported by

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And, with respect, I'd like to end this conversation if we're not actually disagreeing about the current structure of the article.—

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https://kpic.com/news/local/shani-louk-allegedly-abducted-and-killed-during-hamas-terrorist-attack-attended-portland-jewish-academy

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https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/hamas-terror-gegen-frauen-in-israel-vergewaltigung-als-kriegswaffe-19246765.html

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suspected the police caused it), consensus usually trends towards "death of" unless there's unambiguous evidence of homicide.

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https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/2023/10/10/shani-louk-woman-abducted-and-feared-killed-by-hamas-is-alive-mother-says/

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I disagree with your introduction of a heading that says "Status", because it is not descriptive and not precise (see

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After the massacre, Hamas paraded Louk, seemingly unconscious, in the back of a pickup truck. A video, which became

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I've changed Barron's with ProQuest. Sources don't need preapproval. Yahoo News Australia falls under Yahoo News. —

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Example of an early source (Oct. 8) that we shouldn't use for claims that contradict a plurality of later reports:

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Why would we speculate in the article about the subject's clothes? This is not relevant to a biographical article.

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So do not edit in this way, please. Please base yourself on commonsense editorial practices and reliable sources.

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https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2023-10/shani-louk-deutsch-israel-geiselnahme-bundesregierung-hamas

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I am sure the contributors of this article did so with the best of intentions, but it must be rectified at once.

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Then explain how it complies. All content on Knowledge is meant to be neutral, it's meaningless to say that.

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this is 100% correct—why the urge to euphemize and omit the details of terror attacks? I would suggest that

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I doubt it, considering she was killed at the festival site in Israel. See comment titled Death info surce

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as a whole is very clear that what was found was the bone fragment. Going from here, your theory that the

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Anyone looking up Shani Louk’s death prior to May 2024 would have assumed her body had been found already

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Half-naked is also correct because it's an objective description of the situation in the given moment.—

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nothing to do with privacy rights per above user but I do not see it meeting notability guidelines per

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removed the description of the video, for reasons that I do not understand. Please see this revision:

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I think this webpage is highly inappropriate and invading her privacy and right to self-determination

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-supernova-festival-noa-argamani-hostage-hamas-attacks-video/

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Israel confirmed her death (not just a statement of the mother) according to a German newspaper

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https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/29/the-hannibal-directive-what-really-happened-on-october-7th/

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Business Insider removed, thanks. It wasn't needed to support anything in the first place. —

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her being alive but injured could have affected how the family responded to her kidnapping.

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articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by

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of the widely-sourced content from the article seems contrary to this core content policy.

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a

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A young Israeli festivalgoer’s death is confirmed, shining light on families’ long ordeal

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Crisp, James (2023-10-08). "Murdered woman's naked body paraded around streets of Gaza".

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Israeli police investigations had revealed that Nova festival-goers were also killed by

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The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment.

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Morris, Loveday; Piper, Imogen; Sohyun Lee, Joyce; George, Susannah (8 October 2023).

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Louk was at the festival, accompanied by her boyfriend, a Mexican citizen. After the

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Murphy, Paul P.; Goodwin, Allegra; Brown, Benjamin; Paget, Sharif (9 October 2023).

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Das Video der schwer verletzten Shani Louk erlangte im Internet große Bekanntheit. (

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That's a reasonable explanation and having looked at several other sources I think

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is the clearest phrasing, as it makes clear that she was not voluntarily undressed.

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We don't know how or even if she was killed, so that claim just doesn't stand up.

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and other crime-related cases where the victim is not notable prior to the crime.

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is "By Mnar Adley / MintPressNews" and MintPressNews was deprecated, find it in

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Shani was paraded by Palestinian civilians as was shown clearly in the footage.

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Section headings should generally follow the guidance for article titles --: -->

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But Shani Louk is a different person, and her being abducted deserves mention.

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for similar reasons, as do we have images of murdered civilians in the lead of

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The video of seriously injured Shani Louk became widely known on the Internet.

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You also seemingly called the coverage in this article "atrocity propaganda"

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Shani Louk: New twist after festivalgoer paraded naked through Gaza streets

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biography that elevates it above the thousands of tragedies on that day.

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I agree. That would be consistent with other kidnappings and abductions.

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is marked yellow, and I think the substantial recycling of content from

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reporting. This is an encyclopaedia, not a tabloid. It also contravenes

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The article does not, in wikivoice, claim that Shani Louk was kidnapped

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Probably not gonna happen soon since her body had been paraded in Gaza

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Violation of privacy rights. Hence the page is now being redirected.

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kidnapped. Yet the name is "Kidnapping of"; there's a disconnect. —

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For these reasons "Death of Shani Louk" is a suitable title under

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of unrecoverable body parts or remains evident in the vehicles.

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As an unnecessary subjective comment, it's terrible and tragic.

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Thanks, I've updated that and directed content to this article.

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either.If this topic is unclear to you, this new article by

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the quote apparently does not exist, this is a moot point.

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https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710820667686285406

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Fischer, Jan-Frederik; Schiller, Eva (10 October 2023).

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proof of her death - just another unverified claim.

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source is reprinted in other sources in addition to

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Just noting that I've moved this talk thread here.—

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She was murdered, not killed by accident. 1393:(and Barron's is probably a lot better than 417:Re'im music festival massacre#Hamas' assault 2529:- unknown manner of death → "Death of ..." 56:Here are the sources citing her age as 22: 2953: 2739:I am sure that many of the victims of the 1968: 1795:The following is a closed discussion of a 1647:Move to "Killing of Shani Louk" and revert 142:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Shani Louk 117:The following is a closed discussion of a 3191:The "See Also" section should be removed. 2770:the very thing that this article is about 2153:Sure killing. 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