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Kirstie Alley isn't really a PR person, she's more a sort of celebrity face who shills for
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A number of issues here. Re not speaking out. Unless you can source that specific comment it is "original research"; it is your point or idea. It needs to go on those grounds alone. That is really enough and we do not need to go further. But we can. This is a bio of a living person and you don't put
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Also, to those fanbois who try to claim she turned down her reprisal when approached for a TNG episode and ST: 6 - Kirstie Alley was locked into an exclusive agreement with NBC because she was doing a little known show called Cheers, and anyone who's familiar with how NBC handled its contracts at the
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One reason that that years ago, WENN had a crazy story that Tom Cruise had paid off scientology so that they let him go. From all the stories I read, I think that WENN / BANG is at the lowest quality... most stories are that some "friend of a star" said something, or a story that was already written
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As I understand it, the show was structured as a competition between Alley and her handyman, Jim, both of whom were overweight, to lose the greatest amount of weight using the weight-loss system that Alley had devised. Jim lost more weight over the course of the show's tapings than did Alley, hence
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According to Alley: "It was different in that I developed a nutty attitude where I'd think, 'If some guy really loves me, he does not care if I am fat.' Or, 'To be a good mother, you have got to cook and eat the food you give your kids.' I'd come up with all these stupid justifications and
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Did you really call her a conspiracy theorist nutjob on the day of her death? As of today I will no longer contribute money or use
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to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article
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the claim that Alley "finished in second place". Could probably use a reword, or omit the outcome here altogether since it is not particularly relevant to Alley's career.
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KIRSTIE LOUISE ALLEY age 51,LOS ANGELES, CA ENCINO, CA GLENDALE, CA,relatives Richard Alley would that make her younger?
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