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sacrifice image that someone else added, which apparently you don't care to remove. Whether outdoor buffalo sacrifice by a religious community is crime in India, or not, according to you.... that is irrelevant, the image just shows what happened. Sacrifice is a form of slaughter. I suggest we keep both Durga Puja and the above buffalo sacrifice image.
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of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, 2001. I have provided the link at WT:INDIA, and have already checked with lawyers in Delhi, where I happen to be now. What sort of nonsense are you all attempting to pull. What do I care that other images have been wrongfully uploaded. Two wrongs do not make a right. Enough of this nonsense.
21: 828:. This slaughter is as illustrative as the Assam image which someone else added to this article in the past. In both cases, we are relying on tags / uploader providing information. I welcome a discussion on which images should be included. I am also open to a revised caption. Any concerns and suggestions? 888:
not here. The titles of the images have already changed per my request and submission of reasons at Commons. The five images now no longer refer to Delhi, India, sacrifice, halal, or dhabihah. As you must know, open air slaughter has been illegal in municipal areas in India since 2001, a violation
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Seriously, you think I was born yesterday? I'm in Delhi now, and you are attempted to tell me about India by producing garbage images of everywhere but India!!! Where is the proof that this is Delhi, that the participants are Muslims, and that the slaughter is halal? I will be removing the image
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Seriously, you think I was born yesterday? I'm in Delhi now, and you are attempted to tell me about India by producing garbage images of everywhere but India!!! Where is the proof that this is Delhi, that the participants are Muslims, and that the slaughter is halal? I will be removing the image
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In Hinduism, animal meat obtained through instantaneous death of animal is allowed so we can say that slow killing of animals to obtain meat is perceived negatively in Hinduism but we can't state the reason that why it is perceived negatively (because source does't mentions it). To state the reason
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Hello! I just stumbled across this article and have edited the paragraph mentioned here before checking the talk page. After seeing your question I searched around myself, and found that the belief's purported anti-muslim origins are much older than expected and as such this sentence may be an
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F&f: You misrepresented to wikimedia commons that the source does not state Delhi. It does. See links above. Just because the wikimedia commons changed the title, along with hundreds of titles they rename everyday, does not mean you are right. The image is as illustrative as the Durga Puja
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In Sikhism, reason given for rejection of Kutha meat is due to rejection of belief in animal sacrifice by Guru Gobind Singh and right of Muslims to impose it on non-Muslims. Slow killing is perceived as inhumane method of slaughter is no where mentioned in the source. So, to mention it is
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In Sikhism specifically, there are two more reasons for objection to Kutha meat - firstly because of belief that sacrificing an animal in the name of God is mere ritualism (something to be avoided) and secondly as an opposition to right of ruling Muslims to impose it on
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Large talk pages become difficult to read and strain the limits of older browsers. Also loading time becomes an issue for slow internet connections. It is helpful to archive or refactor a page either when it exceeds 50 KB, or has more than 10 main sections.
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In Sikhism specifically, the objection to Kutha meat is because of belief that sacrificing an animal in the name of God is mere ritualism (something to be avoided) and also as an opposition to right of Muslims to impose it on non-Muslims.
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In any case an accusation of wikilawyering is never a valid argument per se, unless an explanation is given why particular actions may be described as wikilawyering, and the term "wikilawyering" is used as a mere shortcut to these
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Why do all the articles concerning Jhatka in any way seem to promote the Idea that Hindus are mandated to only consume Jhatka meat, without providing any credible citations or sources from Hindu scripture.
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It also seems a very strange supposition, considering the fact that Hinduism far outdates Sikhism, last I checked the only dietary laws placed on Hindus was that some of them couldn't eat Bovine flesh.
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Misuse of the term, it states: In any case an accusation of wikilawyering is never a valid argument per se, unless an explanation is given why particular actions may be described as wikilawyering
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Its largely only a discussion between you and me , I am not keen to archive as yet then why are you so keen to Archive just yet ,lets follow the Wiki guidelines on Archiving
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that the buffalo sacrifice took place in Delhi. The slaughter is similar to images from the Islamic Eid sacrifice festival linked above, and the participants are
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I understand your reticence to discuss as well as your urgency to hide the earlier discussion page under the pretext of Archive , I really shouldn't persistĀ !!
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extension of a general criticism of Islam, but I have also found support for this exact opinion in another text. The latter reference is likely fine under
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But the discussions are not redundant , the number of topics are not 10 but 2 and the page is not too large for difficulty in navigation or uploading .
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Sikh-History's edit summary statesĀ : The discussion's are redundant, I'm adding a link to this archive. Please do not undelete archives again.
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I requested you not to archive , you persist , and then I provide specific reasons in consonance with Wiki policy for archiving convention .
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You stonewall a legitimate discussion here to avoid providing cogent reasons for your urgency to prematurely archive a discussion
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The objection to kutha meat is based on the belief that the slow death by bleeding of an animal is an inhumane method of slaughter
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When I do not edit war on the article page and instead urge your reasons , after stating mine for opposing this premature archive
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I have included the image here to ease the discussion. Please note that the uploader of the image in 2006 tagged it
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But there were only 2 Main topics and not 10 when you Archived , and the page smaller than 50KB when you archived
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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and study the image collection for evidence that this came from Delhi. Feel free to take it to DR.
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and study the image collection for evidence that this came from Delhi. Feel free to take it to DR.
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image. Images need to be illustrative per MOS:IMAGES. Outdoor slaughter on Eid is frequent. See
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image. Images need to be illustrative per MOS:IMAGES. Outdoor slaughter on Eid is frequent. See
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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
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Please provide specific reasons for your insistence to archive this talk page prematurely.
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You are all wasting you time, engaging in side discussions here. The discussion is at
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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
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instead of validly explaining your reasons you simply reiterate WP:LAWYER again.
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When I quote from the same Wiki rule you threw at me which expressly states
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is there a way to display this same section on the other talk page (
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again. I am happy to take this to dispute resolution for images.
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again. I am happy to take this to dispute resolution for images.
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you even delete a mere mention of this discussion from your page
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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Instead of fairly providing reasons you throw a Wiki rule
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guideline as the source doesn't say anything like that.
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Rephrasing was necessary to avoid copyright violation.
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17 March 2011 Sikh-history
4 October 2011 Sikh-history (Archiving)
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Misuse of the term
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You stonewall a legitimate discussion here to avoid providing cogent reasons for your urgency to prematurely archive a discussion

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