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HomePlug claims that Green PHY is a "profile" of IEEE 1901. However, the term "profile" is not used in 1901. The authorization for the 1901 standard effort was that the 1901 work group define technology that worked over powerline and that it could achieve 100 Mbps. Green PHY achieves 10 Mbps at best.
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