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The name "Handa" would be better described as gaelicised Norse, rather than mixed Gaelic and Norse. The Norse name "Sanday" becomes Sanda. The initial "S" mutates to a silent "Sh" in Gaelic pronunciation when prefixed with "eilean" (island), but the current name is only the modified Norse element.
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