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comes before Mo...; the other one is even more tenuous, namely that in the compound "Harikrishnans", "Hari" comes before "Krishnan" – but as I say, that's so tenuous as to be silly. Still, there doesn't seem to be any reason not to mention
Mammootty first. The legality arguments have no bearing on how to cite the cast list. --
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Mohanlal credited first. However, the sources seem to say that only the last part of the film was changed, so unless it can be proven that a different intro exists with different credits, it would seem that the Mammootty priority should remain until a new method for
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It makes every kind of sense to use the confirmed cast order – it really is a non-issue, but there is nothing else to differ between the two actors from what I can see. There are a couple of other possible ways to reason around the listing order: one is to keep it alphabetical, in which case Ma...
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Legality has no bearing on the intended presentation of the film, which I've already said. Copyright violation has no bearing either. If I happened to watch the bootlegged version of the film that credited
Mohanlal first, you'd be saying "Cyphoidbomb's right, Mohanlal should be credited first!"
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As per usual across the many articles about films with both
Mohanlal and Mammootty in them, we appear to be yet again embroiled in an idiotic back-and-forth over who should be credited first. Because this is a really important issue in our world. I have personally seen the intro to a print that
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At some point this might need a wider RFC, because this crap comes up every time with these clowns' films. And I'm pretty sure I remember from the past other instances when different posters, or film prints, were released with different billing to satisfy the zealots. Might've been related to
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is a government constituted body. Releasing uncensored portions of a film is punishable with 3-year imprisonment or fine or both as per The
Cinematograph Act, 1952, hence it is illegal. Only the Disney+ Hotstar has the right to stream the film, if it is available anywhere else, it's obviously
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I have provided the official source for the film, the true final print, whereas you haven't provided any. What are you saying, we have to take your word for granted? That IP has not provided any source for his claim. I am the only one who have obeyed
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None of the films is "illegitimate". One was not approved for release by the censorship board. Big difference. We know for a fact that it was the filmmakers' calculated intention to release more than one version to pander to fans of either actor.
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Mammootty first. Unfortunately, I cannot link to it, as it is almost certainly a copyright violation. Onscreen credits are almost always sufficient for determining official cast billing, where Disney Hotstar is not, I say in reference to
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Hotstar version shows as 'For Pranavams International, Mohanlal Presents, Mammootty in, Fazil's, Harikrishnans'. It doesn't introduce Mohanlal as the actor, but the producer. So it credits Mohanlal first, doesn't stand.
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Mohanlal first. It could probably be the final version of the film as the other uncensored version is illegitimate.
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