2423:- then you go with the most common name. But for all other royals and nobles, the fact that they changed what they were called so much that there is no one name by which they are most commonly known, and therefore we should just apply the rules set out further down in the naming convention. I don't think anyone has established that she is known overwhelmingly by one name in English. I'm not sure that a Google book search is really useful at determining "the most common form of the name used in reliable sources in English". Google Books are so slanted towards 19th century books, that they give you a sense of what people called her in the 19th century, whereas a 20th or 21st century historian is more likely to go for historical accuracy. So, I don't think we have a "most common form of the name used in reliable sources in English" so we should just apply the rules. So in declining order, we have rules for (1) sovereigns, (2) consorts to sovereigns, (3) royals with a substantive title, and (4) other royals. Was she a sovereign? No. Was she a consort to a sovereign? No, "Duke of Orléans" was not a sovereign title. So, was she a "royal with a substantive title"? A substantive title is "a title of nobility or royalty held by someone (normally by one person alone), which they gained through either grant or inheritance, as opposed to one given or loaned to them either as a courtesy title, or gained through marriage." She gained the title of "Duchess of Orléans" by marrying
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