1264:. The first chapter deals with a lot of the issues being discussed here and on the anarchism pages. Some quotes of interest in the first chapter: "Anarchism shares with liberalism a radical commitment to individual freedom while rejecting liberalism's competitive property relations." "Historically, anarchism has often been conceptualized as being most closely related to Marxism. This is due, in part, to the fact that many prominent anarchists share with the Marxists a rejection of private property and an espousal of communist economic relations." "Anarchism has more in common with other individualist philosophies like liberalism than is generally recognized many statements made by the liberal John Stewart Mill, for instance, contain a spirit of existential individualism ("existential individualism" is the term Brown uses to describe the form of individualism anarchism advocates--individual freedom unrestrained by authority and seen as an end in and of itself, which she contrasts to "instrumental individualism", or the form of individualism where individuals use others to further their own self-interest, which would use individualism as a means to an end)." "However, liberals are not anarchists; while they assert the importance of individual freedom and autonomy, liberals also maintain that the human individual is a competitive owner of private property." Brown says that liberalism contains elements of existential and instrumental anarchism, which makes it contradict itself, since according to Brown, existential individualism and instrumental individualism cannot coexist. She later says "the fact that liberalism and anarchism share common existential individualistic views explains why certain passages in liberal thought sound decidedly anarchistic. However, liberals also subscribe to an individiualism that is instrumental while anarchist political philosophy stands opposed to instrumental competitive values; for the anarchist, 'freedom can exist only in a society where there is no compulsion of any kind," including the compulsion that accompanies property relations." All of these quotes are in the first chapter in case you want to look them up.
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merely links to an essay which describe the essay "Civil
Disobedience" as anarchist among other things, but only in passing again. The seventh source doesn't say anything about Thoreau being an anarchist. The eighth is a bunch of links to various anarchist related articles including "Civil Disobedience", but doesn't say Thoreau was an anarchist. The ninth appears to be a personal website, and is devoted largely to individualist anarchism, but I'll be nice and give it to you anyways. The tenth is a bunch of quick point-counter point things on various topics related to the title of "GANDHI, KING, AND THOREAU: ANARCHISM, CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, AND NON-VIOLENCE". Gee, Gandhi, just like I mentioned above. They have a section that says "Is Thoreau an Anarchist" with arguments for it, and a section that says "Thoreau Not an Anarchist" with arguments for that. This search is not looking to good for you--it surely isn't 125,000 sources that back up your claim. And my guess is that the further I go into the search results, the more incoherent and unrelated they'll be (that's how google usually works). As for Jesus being an anarchist or not, would you be willing to go to the article on Jesus and say in the first sentence that he was an anarachist? Good luck! Although the case can be made (relatively well I think), there are virtually no reliable and neutral sources that would say that I think. Most of them would all be partisan. There are also people who try to say he was a communist, socialist or capitalist (hell,
3463:, which I had referenced, along with a reference detailing all this (Ivaska) (After flippant deletions, sometimes one wonders why one bothers.) Initially Harding copped some flak, but his paper has been widely cited and I don't think its basic conclusion that Thoreau was homoerotic in his orientation (or however you want to phrase it) has been disputed by any significant scholar in the last two decades. But I'm not going to plow through 100 academic papers to prove that point. Maybe someone else has the energy. Since then has been a slow opening up of the discussion, but naturally, with no consensus on the degree of the 'homoeroticism' - that's where academic discussion is now and, and the degree to which it shaped his thought and writing. In short: the view of his 'homoeroticism' has moved from being non-existent, to being something anomalous, to being something implicit. Thoreau's journals and other writings were also long incomplete in their published form, and now that the full editions are being republished it is also helping reassessment. So of course, his sexuality should be referenced in the article. This has been long winded, but probably necessary given it can be a radioactive issue, and for those unaware of it, the progression of academic thought has been significant. I have restored the entry, while making further hopefully informative and *balanced* improvements to it. The revised entry is as follows:
3455:(2011), p473-4. (The section didn't appear in the original edition.) He begins by writing: "The most controversial studies about Thoreau in recent years are those concerned with his sexuality. Some, I know, feel that such studies are an intrusion in the privacy of the subject's life". This would be comical if it wasn't so sad. Harding then states that a reviewer took him to task for writing "as if Sigmund Freud had never existed" and confesses "that was done intentionally on my part". You can't make this up. Feeling forced to finally address the issue by "recent studies of homoeroticism in Thoreau" and acknowledging "pioneer" "Jonathan Katz" whose Gay American History I have referenced, he admits "I have been convinced that there is evidence of a strong homoerotic element in Thoreau's personality", but "I should add that to the best of my knowledge no factual evidence of sexual activity on Thoreau's part has been uncovered." Phew! It's easy to mock Harding's timidity, but one has to appreciate that until recently your academic career could actually see you marginalised over such an issue. (e.g. see
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it. I did not see why the schoolmaster should be taxed to support the priest, and not the priest the schoolmaster: for I was not the State's schoolmaster, but I supported myself by voluntary subscription. I did not see why the lyceum should not present its tax-bill, and have the State to back its demand, as well as the Church. However, at the request of the selectmen, I condescended to make some such statement as this in writing:—"Know all men by these presents, that I, Henry
Thoreau, do not wish to be regarded as a member of any incorporated society which I have not joined." This I gave to the town clerk; and he has it. The State, having thus learned that I did not wish to be regarded as a member of that church, has never made a like demand on me since; though it said that it must adhere to its original presumption that time. If I had known how to name them, I should then have signed off in detail from all the societies which I never signed on to; but I did not know where to find a complete list.
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early, dismissed at the time, and now have grown to seem almost clairvoyant. Putting labels on him like vegetarian, environmentalist, or anarchist is therefore nearly always apocryphal. Those are later ideas which we may trace back to his influence, but it's an exaggeration to draw him into a particular camp--he hated being more than a party of one! So I altered the statement about anarchism to indicate that he advocated limited government, not its abolition. Although these subjects have not yet entered the article, there are debates about his religion and sexual orientation. He was eclectic, flexible, and inconsistent about his ideas. I hope we can respect that (to me) delightful variety and eccentricity and not try to box him in too tightly. I base this judgement on four decades of work as a
Thoreau scholar, and as the former editor of the PUP edition of his Writings. Thanks, WH --28 Dec 2006
2451:: "Su obra más representativa es Walden, aparecida en 1854, aunque redactada entre 1845 y 1847, cuando Thoreau decide instalarse en el aislamiento de una cabaña en el bosque, y vivir en íntimo contacto con la naturaleza, en una vida de soledad y sobriedad. De esta experiencia, su filosofía trata de transmitirnos la idea que resulta necesario un retorno respetuoso a la naturaleza, y que la felicidad es sobre todo fruto de la riqueza interior y de la armonía de los individuos con el entorno natural. Muchos han visto en Thoreau a uno de los precursores del ecologismo y del anarquismo primitivista representado en la actualidad por Jonh Zerzan. Para George Woodcock(8), esta actitud puede estar también motivada por una cierta idea de resistencia al progreso y de rechazo al materialismo creciente que caracteriza la sociedad norteamericana de mediados de siglo XIX."
2437:: "Su obra más representativa es Walden, aparecida en 1854, aunque redactada entre 1845 y 1847, cuando Thoreau decide instalarse en el aislamiento de una cabaña en el bosque, y vivir en íntimo contacto con la naturaleza, en una vida de soledad y sobriedad. De esta experiencia, su filosofía trata de transmitirnos la idea que resulta necesario un retorno respetuoso a la naturaleza, y que la felicidad es sobre todo fruto de la riqueza interior y de la armonía de los individuos con el entorno natural. Muchos han visto en Thoreau a uno de los precursores del ecologismo y del anarquismo primitivista representado en la actualidad por
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that. And in
Emerson's "Nature," he writes of becoming the "transparent eyeball," one of the most famous images in Transcendental thought. He would enter the woods and "see all and be all." Transcendentalism has less to do with any Christian theology and more with "communing with the Over-Soul." A theological lineage exists from Calvinism to Unitarianism to Transcendentalism, surely, but Emerson's thought held Transcendentalism as the infinite telos of the divine. That said, both Emerson's and Thoreau's writings reveal many instances where actually realizing and experiencing the Transcendental existence becomes problematic.
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and neutral source say he wasn't an anarchist, and I've seen many that have. As for
Stirner, neutral and reliable sources usually do label him as an anarchist, which can't be said for Thoreau. I'm not arguing whether or not Thoreau was an anarchist--as I said I don't feel qualified to do so. I am arguing that you seem to be pushing a minority position that is not backed up by neutral or reliable sources. All of them are biased and have something to gain by appropriating Thoreau, a great American hero, as an anarchist. Same can be said of Jesus, Gandhi or (no god forbid) Jefferson.
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tedious and predictable sounding Brown, you might do better to read
Thoreau. I am finding 100s of thousands of references to Thoreau as an anarchist. But I doubt you will accept any of them because you don't want to. Knowledge (XXG) is supposedly an encyclopedia that bases what it says on what the world accepts as real. Well the world, apparantly, says that Thoreau was an anarchist. And while we're at it, Jesus was talking about sharing property, in Book of Matthew, 2000 years ago. I think that beats Karl Marx by just a few years.
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sources, or generally reference a number of works, for biographical information. The geneology web site seems to be a private effort. The kenkifer.com analysis has several mistakes. All of these references could be improved by finding better sources, instead of using these as footnotes...which leads to the bigger problem for this article--that the events described are poorly sourced, in that it's not clear which of the fine references listed at the bottom of the article are relied upon for the numerous statements in the text. --
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Student, was ". . . one of the first native attacks upon
American Imperialism. . ." (34) Vivas was writing when the US was involved in many countries in South America and Central America. Vivas saw Thoreau's politics, especially his stance on resistance to government, as troubling, "Thoreau's ideals are inoperative in the real, everyday world, and because he will not compromise his ideals, at all, they have no effect upon the world: they are politically useless." (35) In the 1960s, we will see how useful Thoreau becomes.
1290:"Although at times it sounds as if Thoreau is advocating anarchy, what he demands is a better government, and what he refuses to acknowledge is the authority of one that has become so morally corrupt as to lose the consent of those governed. “There will never be a really free and enlightened State,” he argues, “until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly” (“Civil Disobedience”)" from:
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felt a strange thrill of savage delight, and was strongly tempted to sieze and devour him raw; not that I was hungry then, except for that wildness which he represented. ... I found in myself, and still find, an instinct toward a higher, or, as it is named, spiritual life, as do most men, and another toward a primitive rank and savage one, and I reverence them both." This quote, in my opinion, also highlights excellently the difference between
Thoreau's Transcendentalism and that of Emerson and others.
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produced as normal expensive books). I also correct for typographical issues like tables, etc, that books on gutenberg and many other sites ignore. They are pretty handy - I've had up to 5000 downloads of these books per month, more than 50% from outside the USA. I just finished my ebook of Walden and will be adding other
Thoreau titles to my site. Would the community be supportive of a link in the links sections of the relevant articles to these books? Thanks.
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Lingeron. I was accused of being
Lingeron, thewolfstar, Hogeye and RJII. That'sHot was accused of being thewolfstar and RJII. Why don't you just get it over with? Your nasty insults, personal attacks, and false accusations are getting to really be a drag. What kind of life can you have that has so much spare time to go witch hunting for sockpuppets of anarchists -- specifically anarchists that have dared to introduce libertarianism into the
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we edit the same pages. As to what you said, I did a search of the document for Thoreau yesterday, and nothing turned up. Now it does. I don't know why (I spelled it right, since I copy and pasted from the title of this article. Anyways, just because goldman says he's an anarchist, doesn't make it so. I think we should leave that up to others to decide. Goldman can't be seen as the be all end all of anarchist labelling.
885:"Emma Goldman called Thoreau an anarchist" is a whole different kettle of fish from "Thoreau is an anarchist." Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If you want to stick "anarchist" in the intro to an article, you're going to have to do better than googling for one isolated quote. We can find thousands of notable references describing him as a "writer," but the anarchist spin is quite singular.
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block. Anyways, a few people, including admins who are unrelated to the anarchism issues suspect you to be a sock. Also, I have no problem with mentioning libertarianism (American-style) on the anarchism page, as the relationship should be explored. But I do have a problem with trying to say that they are the same, or that some forms of american libertarianism should be considered a form of anarchism.
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train passing nearby, his walks through other peoples' farms, the shanty towns near across the pond, the ice cutters he speaks with. It is a tragic misreading of Walden to suggest that this was the "point" of the book and that Thoreau presents his experience fraudulently. The Zacks quote supports this modern myth, so I am removing it. If you disagree, let's Talk. Rpworth 00:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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gay academics fed up with the dissembling and/or censorship. Gradually mainstream academic acknowledgement that there is/may be a case occurred. After all the hard work of gay scholars, the hole in the dyke wall, so to speak, was opened by "Mainstream" Thoreau biographer the late Walter Harding. He tells the story from his perspective in the Afterforward to the 2nd edition of his 1965 biography
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his family. He made an adequate living from many sources and shared his income with his family. Yes, he built his house at Walden on Emerson's land. Some friends helped him raise the roof beam. He visited his family now and then. All true, but hardly indications of laziness. He caught his fatal cold by staying out too long in a wet snow to count rings in felled trees. --WH 29 Sep 2005
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written ten sentences since I was introduced to him, but his influence might be somewhere detected by a close observer." Now you must amend this Criticism portion because your said only one half of the true. Why don't you add Stevenson to the writers who have been strongly influenced by Thoreau instead of make of him a contemner of Thoreau ? A frenchman.
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lectures bears comparison. We must remember Thoreau lectured out of compulsion to speak out on important issues, and Emerson lectured more to fulfill the role of the "public intellectual." We find him saying as much in "The American Scholar." To claim that HDT met with less success in his lectures ignores that we remember him yet for far fewer of them.
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diet, but he did eat meat, eggs, and dairy at times, though not eagerly for they gave him indigestion. In "Higher Laws" he says that food is less important than the spirit or imagination with which we eat it. He did have a sweet tooth and was especially fond of spice cake and fruit pies. Every philosopher needs a weakness! --WH 29 Sep 2005
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Why is it in the intro of his wiki page? He clearly was for limited government, but not for anarchy. Virtually no serious writer is, first of all, and, it is almost impossible to misinterpret Walden or Civil Disobedience as pro anarchy for anyone who has actually read it, and not just his "quotes".
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The history of Thoreau studies on the issue has, not surprisingly, followed the same academic trajectory as with his bisexual/homosexual contemporaries, such as Whitman, Eakins, Sargent, Lincoln, et al. That is, beginning in the 1980s, the issue was, in the teeth of vituperative opposition, forced by
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The ten in-line links presently in the article at the very least could be converted to footnotes. Given their less than stellar quality, and the fact that the article has no footnotes, no great harm would come from having these links removed, as several are writings that do not either cite their own
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125,000 sources could be the viral result of one biased Knowledge (XXG) page. Thoreau was a master of harmony, not discord. Just because he critiqued government doesn't make him an Anarchist. He advocated limited government, not an abolition of government. There is a bias here Towards identifying
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even have a song called "Jesus Was a Communist"). And Jesus was a king as well according to the bible--just not on Earth. Also, I'm not seeing anything in a quick scan of the Gandhi article about him being a king, and I've never heard that. Also, Kropotkin was a prince, yet I've never seen a reliable
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violent and pacifist Anarchism. Henry David Thoreau, a nonviolent Anarchist writer, and Emma Goldman an Anarchist activist, are a couple of examples. Activist Anarchism, however, was mainly sustained by immigrants from Europe. In the late 1800's, Anarchism was a part of life for many. In 1886, four
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Several of the Transcendentalists, notably Bronson Alcott and Charles Lane, experimented with vegetarian diets. (Alcott thought he should eat only "asipring" vegetables, the ones that grow upward toward heaven (celery), instead of downward into earth (carrots, potatoes). Thoreau preferred a vegetable
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Can anyone confirm what I have heard, that he was also jailed for non-compliance with compulsory tithes to the state-established church he was deemed to be affiliated to? I know he had strong conscientious objections, and I gather he actually got jailed for that too. I am pretty confident of this but
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One interesting and useful quote from Robert Fleck may be from the introduction of the PDF i linked above, where he writes, "Thoreau believed that the entire human race was much closer to the Earth’s truth before sophisticated civilization shielded us from its light." This seems to sum up the import
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The quotation by Richard Zacks in the Critique section should come out. It is unjust to Thoreau and also inaccurate to perpetuate the middle school English teacher's myth that he purported to be isolated from any society in his Walden years. The closeness of society is a primary theme of Walden: the
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Similar to 'Suggestions for Edits," I'd like to suggest that the 'Critique' page needs not just negative critiques, but positive critiques and objective analysis. This would be much help to college students cramming the night before. It's been forever since I've made/edited a page, so if anyone else
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Edits are too numerous to list. Mentions of Basketball everywhere, "death" listed as "mecca." who knows what else. This ENTIRE page should be reviewed with incredible prejudice. I don't have the time to do it, but I know there are people that spend all day on this site making edits... though they
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I've removed the infobox section that lists "influences" and "influenced"; this tends to be the norm as articles improve. As for Kennedy, he is listed in the prose as speaking of Thoreau as an influence. Whether you agree with Kennedy's practice or not, it would not contradict what he may have said.
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Hey, about Stevenson's cristicism, you don't know what you are speaking about. If you had read Familiar Studies of Men of Books you wouldn't have written such nonsense. Here what Stevenson actually wrote :"Upon me this pure, narrow, sunnily-ascetic Thoreau had exercised a great charm. I have scarce
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The articles below are available on this server. The selection does not imply an endorsement above and beyond other anarchist articles referenced in the Anarchist Sampler pages. Some have typo corrections or additional HTML markup from the original e-text; in other cases, the articles were stored at
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and liberalism. What has any of this got to do with Thoreau? Thoreau was not a liberal. You can't be serious. And I doubt that Susan Brown will ever affect the number of people, both great leader and not, anarchist and not, that Thoreau did by 100,000 of a percent. Instead of telling me to read this
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wikistalking me. And why don't you just get an RFCU? It'd be fascinating as it would be nearly impossible for us to have the same ip. Did you see the admin noticeboard incidents page? Now there's a Wolfstar2 and a Wolfstar3 that are bots. Let's have a checkuser against me and all these wolfstars and
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I've had this article on a watchlist for a while (a day before you started editing with this account). Look in the history, I edited it on august 9th. Oh, and see the thread up above, that was started before you came to this page. We happen to have interesecting areas of interest, I can't help it if
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Yes, many times in his Journal. Here are 3 examples: While on a river excursion, he and Sophia rescued "a little dot of a kitten" whose instincts were highly developed (May 22, 1853). The family cat was Min, another rescued orphan (Feb 28, 1856). One autumn Thoreau observed her "studying ornithology
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This Thoreau article ends with several anarchism entries in the "See also" section, but doesn't make it clear whether he was or was not an anarchist. This sends a confusing message. I suggest something in the intro paragraph to clarify his "status", fuzzy and debatable as it might be. Perhaps after
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Among the many points highlighted above, Thoreau's "Walden" gives good reason to believe he indulged in and enjoyed the omnivorous life: "As I came home through the woods with my string of fish, trailing my pole, it being now quite dark, I caught a glimpse of a woodchuck stealing across my path, and
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Lazy he was not. Friends often commented on his athletic talent, his energy, and his dogged tendency to drive himself farther on outings than was prudent. A typical day after 1855 was writing all morning, the afternoon given to surveying or hiking and boating, and the evening to reading or time with
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Why should not we, who have renounced the king’s authority, have our national preserves, where no villages need be destroyed, in which the bear and panther, and some even of the hunter race, may still exist, and not be "civilized off the face of the earth," — our forests, not to hold the king’s game
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I don't think there's an agenda here - just a lack of sources. The whole article is in serious need of attention and I wouldn't consider it of any significant quality or respectability yet. Like all of Knowledge (XXG), this is a work in progress. If you have a source and think it's worth mentioning,
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Thoreau strove to portray himself as an ascetic puritan. However, his sexuality has long been the subject of speculation, including by his contemporaries. He proposed marriage to one woman and was proposed to by another, but there is no evidence to suggest he was physical with anyone. Some scholars
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I am going to start some work on adding content about the Indian Notebooks. I've been a Thoreau enthusiast for 30 years now and yet i only heard of these writings in the last year. It appears that Thoreau learned a lot about native people in the areas where he roamed, and kept separate notebooks on
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My attention has just been directed to this page, with a suggestion that perhaps I "should spend some time improving that article." In looking at it, I see several points at which I suppose I might be able to add something. However, I also noticed that the article makes no reference whatever to the
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says specifically that he is referring to "The Anarchists", with whose work he is familiar. Since in that sentence he sets himself apart from the anarchists -- despite his statement in the first paragraph which is a near-perfect restatement of anarchism -- evidently he does not claim the anarchist
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I first started the Thoreau page, and I come back to it every year to see how it's growing. Today I edited the bit about him and anarchism before reading this discussion. I apologize and I also respect the strong opinions that folks are expressing here. Thoreau is problematic because his ideas were
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article. There is an editor(s?) who wishes to include a paragraph detailing Thoreau's (along with Jesus and Thomas Jefferson) influence on modern anarchist thought. There is also a vocal group who do not agree that such information is pertinent to an article on anarchism. I thought that there might
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A good description of Henry David Thoreau with regards to his vegetarianism can be found in the book 'Awe for the Tiger, Love for the Lamb: A Chronicle of Sensibility to Animals, edited by Rod Preece' on page 259... though Preece does not emphasize on the fact that he is a vegetarian, just mentions
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Is Charles Madison a notable scholar of Thoreau or anarchism or early 19th century American history or philosophy? Is one quote, possibly taken out of context, from a 65 year old essay in an American journal, adequate to argue against the perception that Thoreau was an anarchist? This one quote,
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According to Botkin's No Man's Garden, Thoreau was testing the precepts of transcendentalism, unlike Emerson who accepted without test the Romantic version of nature, common in Throeau's day, Thoreau wanted to test the idea that man was corrupted by civilization for himself. For the same reason he
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I cannot write nor speak good english. Another thing: the last time I have "fix" something, the next day all had been delete by a fool, because I think there was not references or somrthing. I do no want touch this stuff anymore, because I don't want to waste my time writing something that another
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Well...while mentioning references to Thoreau in modern popular culture may seem a bit irrelevant to Thoreau himself...I dunno, maybe it might give an insight into how modern society interprets Thoreau? Besides, mentioning those things only takes a couple of sentences...maybe they could all be put
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You will always find a few sources that back up just about any claim. I'm ok with saying that some have described him as an anarchist, but he isn't usually given that label. I've seen people call Gandhi an anarchist too. And Jesus. But these people aren't usually labelled as anarchists, especially
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Thoreau's beliefs very much echoed the ideals of anarchism. His most famous quote in this regard is "That government is best which governs least." His ideas on individual sovereignty as well as his opposition to illegitimate authority certainly rings of anarchist belief. In fact, some have gone as
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You don't just turn up on articles and article talk pages that I edit on but on user talk pages, too. It's called wikistalking. Thoreaus was an anarchist get over it. You said "Goldman can't be seen as the be all end all of anarchist labelling." You could say that (or that sort of thing) about any
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This statement represents a wide misinterpretation of Transendentalist philosophy. Transcendentalism, as expressed in Emerson's essays (and of particular interest, his speech to the Harvard School of Divinity), does not hold that Jesus was not divine. Rather, it holds that nature itself is divine,
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Perhaps this will help your understanding of Transcendentalism a bit: First, Transcendentalism was most assuredly NOT Unitarian, as is suggested below. Emerson's theological and philosophical thinking has roots in his life as a Unitarian minister, but Transcendentalism grew out of his rejection of
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Also from "Higher Laws" in Walden - "Whatever my own practice may be, I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more
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The Journal entry for January 3, 1861 calls for preserving "the natural features which make a township handsome," founding committees "to see that the beauty of the town received no detriment," and declaring that "the top of Mt. Washington should not be private property." These are all quite early
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Some years ago, the State met me in behalf of the Church, and commanded me to pay a certain sum toward the support of a clergyman whose preaching my father attended, but never I myself. "Pay," it said, "or be locked up in the jail." I declined to pay. But, unfortunately, another man saw fit to pay
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I would need some particulars to understand what you mean. Thoreau cites hundreds of sources in his books, always giving credit where it is due. You may always attribute a person's ideas to earlier influences; but true originality lies in collecting the wisdom of the past and making it relevant to
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I made several revisions today to tighten up the article and make it more chronological. (I wrote the first major expansion of the original stub, back in '03.) I don't think it needs reorganizing now, although sub-titles and an index might help. Thanks to everyone for their contributions. --WH, 18
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One of the things weakening the article is the mixing of contemporary commentary with the historical information. For instance, while it's important that Ghandi read the Bhagavad Gita, and it is important that he influenced Ghandi, those two shouldn't be linked (really shouldn't be linked anyway,
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Any reason why you are adding a new section with the same headline as the one you made before? It adds a bit more clutter than needed. Again, regardless of what you personally think of Kennedy's actions, you have not made any argument that goes against the idea that Kennedy claimed Thoreau was an
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Also, while his lectures weren't as "successful" as Emerson's, this is a moot point. Very few lecturers of the time rivaled Emerson, and the comparison seems strained by the RWE/HDT connection. Simply because we connect them geographically, philosophically, etc. does not mean the success of their
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From the man himself, in Civil Disobedience: "But, to speak practically and as a citizen, unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that
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was inspired by the eleven-year-old Edmund Sewell, with whom he hiked for five days in 1839. One scholar has suggested that he wrote the poem to Edmund because he could not bring himself to write it to Edmund's sister, and another that Thoreau's "emotional experiences with women are memorialized
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I do not believe this article ever states that Thoreau called himself an anarchist. Rather, it says that his life and his writings have influenced anarchism. This is correct and well-referenced. The fact that you apparently disagree is all well and good, but your opinion does not outweigh the
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Thoreau's love of nature and his advocacy of Anarchist doctrine was far more than an accidental combination. Just as, in America, Nature took the place of society and "freedom" meant nature, as "restraint" meant State and Society, so have many Anarchists proved that their hatred of the State was
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Well, I haven't done RFCU because I've been too busy in real life (if you haven't noticed, I don't edit as much as I used to). Anyways, the user contributions page is there for a reason. It's meant to be looked at, especially when a user is under severe suspicion of being a banned user evading a
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I have found (...) that I cannot fish without falling a little in self-respect (...) with every year I am less a fisherman, (...) at present I am no fisherman at all. But I see that if I were to live in a wilderness I should again be tempted to become a fisher and hunter in earnest. (...) I had
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I am not familar with the trespassing. He does say a township where a primitive forest waves...is fitted not only for corn and potatoes but also to rasie poets and philosophers. He speaks of the wilderness as a source of raw materials, He used logging roads to travel about in the what he called
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So far my leads are that there is a PhD dissertation called "Tracking the Moccasin Print: A Descriptive Index to Henry David Thoreau's Indian Notebooks and a Study of the Relationship of the Indian Notebooks to Mythmaking in Walden" by Suzanne Dvorak Rose from 1994, and there is a collection of
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Could we have a citation that Thoreau pronounced his own name /ˈθʌroʊ/, as indicated? Also, /ˈθʌroʊ/ is the pronunciation of the word 'thorough', and it does not rhyme with 'furrow' any more than /θəˈroʊ/ does. In addition, the recorded pronunciation (in the ogg file) is /θəˈroʊ/, not /ˈθʌroʊ/.
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Now, first of all, I seem to recollect that Thoreau is actually misquoted (or, at least, paraphrased) in that part of the movie, and certainly not quoted exactly as in this excerpt. The second quote, or quote-within-a-quote, is fairly trivial. Truth be told, by comparison with the rest of the
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Anarchism" (emphasis added) and says "It is to this same type of Anarchism that Thoreau adhered." The fourth is one of the sources in the article, so we all know about it already. The fifth calls him an anarchist in passing, but it isn't given much attention as it isn't about Thoreau. The sixth
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That search doesn't prove anything. If you really think all those sources say thoreau was an anarchist than you really need to brush up on your googling skills. The first hit isn't even about H.D. Thoreau! The second doesn't seem to say anything about him being an anarchist. Get this, the third
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The one reference goes to a lecture that Goldman gave on Stirner. That is the only reference that points to Stirner being an anarchist. The only difference here, to stating that Thoreau was an anarchist, as opposed to stating that Stirner is an anarchist is that I have provided more sources for
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Personally, I would see the entirety of the quoted sentences removed, though perhaps another passage from the Transcendentalism entry would be a more appropriate replacement: "Among their core beliefs was an ideal spiritual state that 'transcends' the physical and empirical and is only realized
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In the main page of Thoreau, we are provided with the land area of Concord as being 26 mile² or 67 km². However, during Thoreau's time, maps and surveys, including those drafted by Thoreau, were scaled to the "rod." We also find the measure of "acre" being used commonly. Would it not be more
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The author's name is commonly pronounced "thur-ROW," but his name actually sounds like the word "thorough," with the accent on the first syllable. Upon meeting Thoreau, philosopher and writer Bronson Alcott wrote in his journal the phonetic pronunciation "thorough." And in a letter dated after
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In the 1920s, an age of relative affluence, Thoreau was popularly seen as an anarchist, a rebel. In the critics' minds, but there were mixed opinions. Most of these reflect a reaction to the materialism of the time. Eliseo Vivas noted that Thoreau's "Resistance to Civil Government," in The New
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Made more revisions today to correct facts, tighten prose, and eliminate repetitions and non-sequiturs. I also made the section titles more parallel and moved one section lower. It's now a major biographical article and deserves to be rated highly. Thanks to all contributors. --WH, 23 Aug 2006
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Hi there, I am wondering if the community wants a link to my web site, www.riapress.com. It is a completely non-revenue/non-profit web site in which I produce completely free public domain ebooks that are designed to be printed at home on regular computer printers (as opposed to read online or
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Stirner never called himself an anarchist - he accepted only the label 'egoist'. Nevertheless, he is considered by most to be an anarchist because of his rejection of the state, law and government, and his ideas influenced many anarchists, although interpretations of his thought are diverse.
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Stirner never called himself an anarchist - he accepted only the label 'egoist'. Nevertheless, he is considered by most to be an anarchist because of his rejection of the state, law and government and his ideas influenced many anarchists, although interpretations of his thought are diverse.
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Clearly Thoreau was one of the first American writers to appreciate the value of wilderness and of public land. But the article says he was an early advocate. Does the above meet the standard of "advocacy" ? A case can be made that he was an "advocate" for preserving wilderness but
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As for Thoreau, you have yet to provide any source other than Emma and another wikipedia page, which as mentioned above, does not count as a reliable source (and which should probably be changed itself). You need to provide a neutral and reliable source as well. I just started reading
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Laziness would probably be the typical accusation by a member of society to someone who rejects the materialism and complacency of that society. But Thoreau's extensive and detailed studies of plants and animals, in addition to his literary and other work show this to be inaccurate.
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Here is an example of the sort of contribution I would seek to make. Although it would be generally accurate that Thoreau did praise the work of Wendell Phillips as stated, it is rather more true that he emphatically recommended and praised the writings of Nathaniel Peabody Rogers.
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contributions the Kouroo Contexture has been making to Thoreau scholarship for the past two decades, for instance on the website www.kouroo.info. I am therefore writing to inquire whether --were I to attempt to be of assistance-- I would be greeted with welcome, or with hostility.
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I added some information on his family, divided "Life and Works" into "Life and Works" "Later Years and Death" and "Criticisms" subtitles, and re-arranged some paragraphs so that it'll hopefully flow a little better. I think "Life and Works" has room for another subsection or so.
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It may be worth a paragraph to clear up this common misunderstanding. Thoreau's time at Walden was manifestly not a rugged experiment in self-sufficiency, but nowadays when people hear "lived in the woods" that's what they think of. I might try to take a crack at it later...
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One good source that claims him a vegetarian is Henry Salt's biography of Thoreau (2000 edition). He was no doubt a very influential and known advocator, but the book in chapter 9 (Doctrines) does mention that he was a 'vegetarian in practice' for a greater part of his life.
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I've heard that, while living at Walden, Thoreau often dined elsewhere, or had meals/laundry done by his mother and sister for him. Is this documented somewhere, and if so, where should it go in this article? It does put a bit of the "rugged individualist" myth to rest... --
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Just because some of us anarchists on the anarchism talk page think so doesn't make it so. That's original research. Before adding that label, you might want to find a reliable source (such as a biography by a notable author or an encyclopedia) that says he is an anarchist.
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not in the first sentence of an encyclopedia entry on them. Perhaps I was off with the liberalism thing (I was thinking classic liberalism). Many of the individualist anarchists you people talk about are radical liberals, or at least have strong leanings in that direction.
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Ironically, the house he built, the land he tilled for crops, and the trees he cleared for same, all in the relative wilds of Walden Wood, each puts the lie to such a consideration. As in many things, he thought in idealisms that were greater than those to which he held
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The blockquote in the 'Civil disobedience and the Walden years: 1845–1849' section doesn't look like it should, because the image is throwing it off. I tried to fix it just now with an indent, but id didn't do anything. Can someone more experienced fix this please?
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As for Thoreau and Lincoln being the only noted Americans that opposed the Mexican War: according to John A. Crow's "The Epic of Latin America", the Mexican War was quite unpopular, and the least popular American war until Vietnam. I am sure there were others.
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Yes I saw that also, that is why I left this in "he ate relatively little meat and advocated vegetarianism as a means of self-improvement." While he was in Maine (in a wilderness) it seems he ate fish, pork or moose frequently. Perhaps it could be worded more
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First, I have no problem personally with saying Thoreau was an anarchist or quasi-anarchist, but unlike Stirner, he is rarely labeled as such by relatively neutral sources. It's OR to say he is an anarchist based on a quote by my beloved Emma. Also, see
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I know this is just wikipedia and isn't any kind of serious scholarly information about anything really, but it just bothers me that something so blatantly untrue is in the opening paragraphs for anyone who has a passing interest in Thoreau to see.
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1136:. Mere anti-statism is not equivalent to anarchism. Marxists want to see the state devolve into nothingness (sounds a lot like Thoreau's quote actually), but they are not anarchists. As for wiki-stalking Whiskey, try to prove it. Besides, even
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together in a short section like those that I've seen in some wikipedia articles-where they put like a list of admittedly irrelevant information that remotely concerns the article's topic-such as stuff in the media or fiction or whatever.
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Also, the 1995 edition of Walden claims "Although T was not an absolute vegetarian, as were some of his transcendentalist friends, he did follow a modified vegetarian diet for many years" (the later editions do not make the same claim)
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He was an early advocate of recreational hiking and canoeing, of conserving natural resources on private land, and of preserving wilderness as public land. This may be somewhat true but I am not sure.. Where does Thoreau write
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content in that section on Thoreau's influence, this part about him being quoted in a movie seems really trivial and unimportant. I love the movie, but this is just not that vital to an understanding of Thoreau. Any thoughts? ---
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The article seems to make no mention of Thoreau's poetry. As much of Thoreau's early work was poetry (until people close to him, such as Emerson, advised him to focus on prose) I think mentioning these works would have some merit.
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usually spend time writing things that are politically convenient for them. But seriously, the page is in dire need of attention. Oh, and perhaps it would be wise to find what IP did the edits and block them from the site/edits.
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Considering that John F. Kennedy initiated the Vietnam War and was a paragon of big government, he should be removed from the list of people that Thoreau influenced. In addition, there is no citation for the Kennedy fallacy.
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back to it. Oftentimes, these high-profile articles are vandalized, but it takes the careful eyes of a fellow editor (like yourself) to spot it and fix it. Most instances of vandalism are fixed within minutes, if not seconds.
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It is important to be careful about claiming that HDT worked in the pencil factory for most of his life. He only worked there for a couple years, after which he moved on to survey work, as well a number of other occupations.
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04:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Ok folks, since I didn't hear back, I'm going to add the link referenced directly above. I think it's useful for readers. If anyone doesn't think it's appropriate, feel free to remove. Thanks!
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It makes little sense to me, neither the bit about "thorough" sounding like "furrow" (although they rhyme in certain English dialects at least), nor the pronounciation of "Tho-row with the h pronounced" (which means...?).
2441:. Para George Woodcock, esta actitud puede estar también motivada por una cierta idea de resistencia al progreso y de rechazo al materialismo creciente que caracteriza la sociedad norteamericana de mediados de siglo XIX."
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Although we don't do this stuff for college students specifically, this article definitely could use more criticism, both positive and negative. I hope you'll help out - just make sure you know how to cite properly, etc.
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far as to say Thoreau was an anarchist, the term just had not been around yet. He certainly inspired many radicals and anarchists including Edward Abbey and Emma Goldman, who called him "the greatest American anarchist."
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Another thing. I can't believe you called Thoreau a quasi-anarchist. And you call yourself an anarchist? Are you seriously saying that you are a real anarchist and that Thoreau wasn't? I'm not even going to say any more.
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I'll also be the first to say that I am not well-versed in Thoreau's writings, so I really can't say whether or not I consider him to be an anarchist. But the fact still remains that most people don't label him as such.
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Might it be meaningful to talk about his writings on Botany? I read Faith in a Seed this past fall and found it very interesting, so I think that his interest in Botany might merit a little more mention in the article.
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The same claim about his vegetarianism is also made in the 2005 edition of this book by Salt and many other authors during the 2000's, like Thoreau's Living Ethics: Walden and the Pursuit of Virtue, by Philip Cafaro.
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traveled to The Maine woods. Contrary to the Throeau myth, his experence on Katadin left him with a deeper appreciation of civilization. According to Roderick Nash over his life time Thoreau's view of nature evolved.
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Emma Goldman was quite well noted anarchist. This is one thing she said about him. Also, Thoreau was mentioned three times in that article. Here is the quote by Goldman concerning him and whether he was an anachist:
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and that man has a divine spirit within him that represents perfect virtue. Emerson expounded on this by stating that Jesus embodies this divinity by being the man who most closely approximated man's highest virtue.
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Under "Name pronunciation and physical appearance", the neckbeard sentence/paragraph claim that "he insisted many women found attractive" is richly deserving of a because it is a decidedly uncharacteristic claim.
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In defense of the author(s) of this text, Emerson did also assert in this same speech was that conventional Christianity is overly concerned with the person of Jesus Christ, rather than the principles he embodied.
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True about Tolstoy. Still, I think his main influence was on american anarchism. I'll revise it a bit more. Goldman, although originally Russian, is still discussed extensively on the Anarchism in the US article.
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It's in the "Cambridge Campanion to Henry David Thoreau" in the works cited. Also, he wrote in his journal of his disdain of lecturing, and his numerous critics compared his discourses unfavorably with Emerson's.
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out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here. Regards,
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However he disdained both occupations. The pencil factory he disliked for keeping him indoors, and lecturing he felt required him to "dumb down" his ideas for the audience. Also, he apparently wasn't a very good
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I'm surprised nobody has taken to this discussion yet. I'm still thinking about how to situate the Indian Notebooks, how to explain their significance and their nature. Any discussion here would be appreciated.
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civilized." However, later in the same chapter he says - "I was never unusually squeamish; I could sometimes eat a fried rat with a good relish, if it were necessary." Vegetarianism was coming in the future.
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I think Marcus Porcius Cato should be listed as one of the people he was influenced by. I just finished reading Walden and he cited Cato many times in that book, far more than anybody else that I can recall.
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Anarchists were wrongfully executed for alleged involvement in the Haymarket bombing, in which seven policemen were killed. President McKinley was assassinated in 1901 by Leon Czolgosz, a Polish Anarchist.
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Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, - "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will
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excerpts from the notebooks called "Selections from THE “INDIAN NOTEBOOKS” (1847-1861) OF HENRY D. THOREAU Transcribed, with an Introduction and additional material, by Richard F. Fleck" that is online
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Thoreau said he wanted no government at all. He backed his disdain of oppressive law with action and went to jail to protest it. He openly defied wrong law and wrote about it real loudly and clearly in
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I've researched some later works on Thoreau, though not in detail, but enough to say that he did adopt the vegetarian lifestyle for a certain period of his life though not consistently & for ever.
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I were, it's a less serious offense than, oh, thewolfstar using a sockpuppet for the zillionth time to evade an indefinite block and push bias and original research into an article. Not sure why that
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that even some of the opposers of US anarchist inclusion in the article agree that Thoreau was an anarchist. They state famous names of people that call Thoreau an anarchist. I'm one. (Just kidding.)
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Thoreau page is getting kind of big, and needs to be organized/split into subsections. It's getting kind of rambling, and organizing it would make it easier to read, and to edit information. Thanks,
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Quite amazing. After his 'economy' experiment at Walden, did he have debts from that? Did he escape to Walden to hide out from prior debts? What strange scandal lies buried in those woods? :-)
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I had been taught that one of the reasons Thoreau spent time at Walden was to duck out on bill collectors. While this has shaped my opinion of him i havent found anything I could cite. Suiciderun
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Perhaps a "Thoreau after Death" section, dealing with his post-humous publications, influences and criticisms in the years after his funeral would work best. It could even be divided into periods.
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Again, the Eurocentric or generally anti-Indian/anti-Hindu Knowledge (XXG) conveniently forgets to mention that Thoreau AND Emerson were heavily influenced by Vedanta and specifically the Gita.
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OR. If Henry had written, "I am an anarchist", we would not have any question with adding that adjective here. In this case, he uses words that are close to the definition of anarchism itself.
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I am not remotely an anarchist (at least, in practice), and I am reluctant to use a word that has such strong and complex connotations in a modern setting. However, Thoreau said explicitly,
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The source of the quotation listed above,"All Walden Wood might have been preserved for our park forever, with Walden in its midst." ,is Thoreau's Journal: 15-Oct-1859. I hope this helps.
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throughout the biographical section of the article. The more difficult (and more debatable) sections in influence, legacy, etc. is less important (for now). How do you feel about that? --
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really the hatred of artificial society and but another side of their love of nature. Between certain types of American Anarchists and "Friends of Nature" there is very little difference.
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since Ghandi was attracted to Thoreau because of his political philosophy and action, instead of his religious interests). The Ghandi part should be in another section, and briefly.
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He also claimed to eat fried rats and board nails (facetiously). He certainly wasn't a strict vegetarian by today's standards, but he clearly advocated a vegetarian point of view.
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I can't give a citation, but Thoreau definitely stood for having wilderness be public land. One of his disagreements with Emerson was over trespassing -- Emerson was against it. --
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I quite agree. I have been, very slowly, trying to remove this sort of stuff from the articles on my watch list. This example seems pretty obviously trivial and unimportant. ---
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I'm confused as to why there is a template box for Gandhi at the bottom of the page but none for Thoreau himself; specifically of the type that lists his works, influences, etc.
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The cabin on Walden Pond was only one a half miles from the center of Concord, and Thoreau went into town periodically. He wasn't in the wilderness and he wasn't in hiding. —
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This is like a skipping several years history and just starting a section with "In 1865 Mary Todd Lincoln was forced to hurriedly leave her home in a poor mental condition."
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Calling Ghandi an anarchist is a little strange. Ghandi was a great man but he was also a king. Jesus actually was an anarchist by his teaching and there is an entire group,
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Thoreau's cabin on Walden Pond was not in the wilderness. It was only a mile and a half to the center of Concord, Massachusetts, and Thoreau went into town regularly. --
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the present and future. By expressing the importance of low material consumption and the preservation of natural resources, Thoreau was highly original for his day. --WH
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.
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In sum, revisions need to be made concerning his life's work; his vocations and occupations ranged much farther afield than simply pencil maker, writer, and lecturer.
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He was vegetarian?? Is there a source for this? In Walden he catches fish. In Allegash and East Branch he eats moose meat and elswhere shows spending money for pork.
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Okay, well I'll agree to that change, except he didn't just influence American anarchism. He influenced, at least Tolstoy and Goldman, who was Russian originally.
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There are accounts of Thoreau being a lazy person. He seemed to have relied on friends and family during his stay at Walden Pond. Anyone know if this is true?
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policy. We can say that Emma Goldman called Thoreau an anarchist, but we can't label him "an anarchist" unless that is more than an extreme minority view.
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considered Thoreau as an anarchist thinker - would anyone care to elaborate on this? I haven't read enough of Thoreau's work to decide if this is the case.
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His writing was an influence on MLK and Gandhi to work within the confines of government to make radical change, not to overthrow it or live without it.
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Thoreau's death, his Aunt Maria wrote to a friend that she had suffered both pronunciations through her life, but that their name is pronounced "thorough."
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Knowledge (XXG), as an encyclopedia, is a tertiary source. That means that you can't cite Knowledge (XXG) to support things in Knowledge (XXG) articles.
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i think someone should disambiguate the link to M. L. King -- i assume this is meant to link to MLK Jr. but i am not certain enough to edit it myself. (v)
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of it violates the sculptor's copyright. Publicly displayed art is copyrighted and may not be reproduced without the permission of the artist. Please see
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Certainly, if there are references you can cite, you should add it to the article. This is an aspect of Thoreau's life with which I am not familiar. ---
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Anarchists including Benjamin Tucker, Federica Montseny and the Bonnot Gang claimed him as an influence, while Emma Goldman gave lectures on his thought.
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Anarchists including Benjamin Tucker, Federica Montseny and the Bonnot Gang claimed him as an influence, and Emma Goldman gave lectures on his thought.
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A minor typographical error, perhaps. Townships 6 miles by 6 miles, square ... or 36 square miles ... not 26 square miles as shown in the article.
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after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add
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Not a typographical error. You are overgeneralizing. In Massachusetts the size is not standardized and varies widely. Concord has 26 sq. miles.
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really wants to tackle this, go for it. If not, I'll find time to do it soon-ish. Otherwise, let's start finding them sources and critiques!!!
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2453:"LA INSUMISIÓN VOLUNTARIA. EL ANARQUISMO INDIVIDUALISTA ESPAÑOL DURANTE LA DICTADURA Y LA SEGUNDA REPÚBLICA (1923-1938)" by Xavier Diez
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Keating also quoted him in saying, "Thoreau once said 'men lead lives of quiet desperation.' Don't be resigned to that; break out!"
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article? You said you have been watching me since I joined Knowledge (XXG). God, girl, get a life. There's more to life than this.
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between the corn-rows" (Oct 1, 1858). Dates refer to entries in the 1906 edition of the Journal. --WH 23 Aug 2006
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Thoreau as an Anarchist that Knowledge (XXG) needs to address. (
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3669:Henry Thoreau: A Life of the Mind
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