Talk:Henry III of France - Knowledge (XXG)

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Lewis was actually the common name used to refer to the Louis of France in English literature. Shakespeare would have called him Lewis. Trends change and Knowledge (XXG) can help lead that change. We can start that process here by initiating a common rule for all European monarchal and aristocratic names. Redirects will still remain for the former spellings, but it is no longer culturally or historically appropriate to be calling the five Henris of France (including Henri, Comte de Chambord) Henry, nor to call Hugues Capet Hugh. Look at any current (1990s+) academic book on French history and they will use their proper name. NGRAM aggregates millions of sources, including reprints of books and articles that date back centuries. It cannot be relied on as the sole source of data to mark this trend. I just completed a doctoral thesis on medieval Capetian monarchs and family members and I had to read hundreds of books and articles for this, and most of the English books used modern French spellings. It is only right. I know I will be in the minority and I know I speak against WP policy, but Knowledge (XXG) has grown into an echo chamber of arguments which results in upholding a poor status quo. The fact that there is currently no consistent policy on names is a problem and SMcCandlish has suggested a reasonable and progressive alternative that reflects growing trends on the subject. This debate will continue for years until it is finally implemented. And it will eventually be implemented, on that point I am certain.

2894: 3263:, and for the broader issue, support the current Knowledge (XXG) standard of "use the common name", which usually means non-Anglicized names past 1900 or so, and Anglicized names when common for nobles from earlier times, aka no change. First of all, if we're playing the cultural imperialism card, it's worth pointing out that it's very easy to get it "wrong" when deviating from the common name and using an archaic / invented name. Secondly, many nobles were cosmopolitan sorts who flitted between multiple domains, so you have Spanish princesses becoming English Queens, you have Hapsburgs ruling in both the Low Countries and Spain and Austria, you have Austrians who travel to briefly rule Mexico, etc. Which language name do you pick when there's 2-5 to choose from? Additionally, languages change over time, so it gets even more complicated for sublanguage dialects, archaic forms, languages that used to be spoken in a region that isn't anymore, etc. There's only one sane thing to do: not even attempt to systematize "rules" for this and use the 2577:

over English, then if/when a few years from now the geopolitical situation is altered, we have to change them all to the Catalan version? What about Swiss people - which of the four national languages do we use? And it becomes a quagmire for someone like Queen Richeza, who was born in Poland then lived with three husbands where the languages were Galician, Castilian Spanish and Mozarabic (depending on which part of the realm she happened to be in at the time), Franco-Provençal and, what would it be? West Upper German? Any choice of the right form for her name based on geography would be completely arbitrary. The only thing we should be consistent about is that we should consistently use the forms that are most common in better recent English language sources, no matter how inconsistent a pattern that produces. If you can show me data that over the past 20 years, most English-language historians have used Henri, so be it. Otherwise, I see no reason to change, and good reasons not to establish the precedent.

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said, I feel the person's signature is a bit of a red herring. John of England spelled his name "Jehan", which was the Middle French spelling. William the Conquerer would have certainly signed his name (if he signed it at all) as "Guillaume", or some permutation of it. Stephen of Blois would have gone by "Estienne" (modern "Étienne"). None are satisfactory for modern readers. I strongly feel that French monarchs should be given their name according to modern French spelling conventions. So "Hugues" not "Hugh", "Jean" not "John", "Philippe" not "Philip", and "Henri" not "Henry". This is increasingly the standard adopted by English-language historians and I see no compelling reason why it should not be adopted. As argued, the inconsistency of allowing "Louis" (which in Middle French was "Loys") rather than "Lewis," but then using English names everywhere else makes no logical sense.

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19th century book, and one called 'the doges palace in Venice' a lot of the historians on these pages are not French historians, but historians of the Tudor monarchy who happen to have referred to him in passing, the third page is my favourite, we have 6/10 of the books are from pre 1900 - including one from 1600 titled 'Les Hermaphrodites' and the modern books include such serious scholarship as 'Reigning cats and dogs' and 'An Encyclopedia of the Violin'). I have presented probably 80%+ of all scholars who have published books on the French Wars of Religion and Henri since 1960 in the academic sphere. There might be some authors who only write in academic journals that I have missed, but aside from that I think I have done a fairly thorough job. With all these English scholars using Henri, I therefore feel I meet those two WP.

3391:'s house style). It's a fluid mixture of what the RS about English writing say to do, our original research into what RS about a topic seem to be doing in the aggregate (which may differ widely from specialist to general-audience publications), what our experience tells us works well or poorly here, technical requirements unique to WP, consistency within articles, consistency across a category of them, site-wide consistency, dialectal variation concerns, changes in usage between mid-century and contemporary sources, avoidance of inappropriate stylization, not dumbing-down as if our readers are stupid, brevity and encyclopedic tone, and a whole bunch of other factors. 2664:

a confusion between use of "Henry" 700 years ago or whenever and the modern English-language habit of applying "Henry" to everyone named "Henri", "Enrique", "Heinrich", etc., etc. (and similar habits in Spanish of changing them all to "Enrique", and so on). They're not the same thing, just in the case of some subjects we'll end up with the same string by coincidence because they were in a narrow window in which the "Henry" spelling sometimes occurred in French (long before orthography stabilized). I would almost bet real money that Henr IV spelled his name multiple different ways, just like Shakespeare.

2792:) the subject has dropped the marks from their own name. We have a consensus to not capitalize the vernacular names of species, even though the majority of RS within certain narrow fields do it habitually. We have a consensus to not capitalize job titles except when directly adhered to a name, even though near-universal practice in business English is to capitalize all of them. Etc., etc. I could probably generate over 100 examples like this. Style and titles on WP are determined by consensus not by imitation of off-site writing the follows others' in-house style guides. 1668:(not much short of changing Louis XIV to the spelling "Lewis" to reflect English-speaking taste), jarring to anyone even faintly familiar with French history, and seriously unhelpful. As to the last point, it makes us unnecessarily disambiguate in running prose with things like "Henry III of France", any time England and France are under discussion in the same article (very frequently). This would not be necessary if we were using Henri for French kings and Henry for the English ones (other than when some third place with a Henry or Henri is involved). 4221: 3406:

particular bio subject in the RS, is clear proof we are not bound to robotically follow a head-count of the sources on how to refer to a particular historical figure. Instead, we move toward consistency and a sometimes arbitrary simplicity for the benefit of readers. Another, broader, proof is that we have numerous naming conventions guidelines every single one of which is imposing arbitrary limits on mindless RS-following to instead prefer consistency. This is also the primary motivation (aside from

2314:. So, this is two other WP:CONSISTENCY issues to fix. The category sorting being applied is also completely random, sorting by "Henr" or by things like "Joyeuse" and "Navarre", even differently by things like "D'Orléans" versus "Orléans". Other-language Wikipedias have a tendency to translate to whatever their equivalent of Henri/Henry is (though this tendency decreases a bit the more obscure the bio). However, en.Knowledge (XXG) has a stronger tradition of not monkeying around with people's names. 31: 1886:(2010) – something of a discussion but almost half as old as Knowledge (XXG) itself. The "Henry" name arose in 2009 during a history merge (people had created separate articles); it's unclear why the more established "Henri" was moved into the more recent "Henry" title after the merge, rather than vice versa (which would have been the standard operating procedure). There was no consensus discussion for this change, and the 2010 follow-on discussion seems inconclusive. 619: 85: 64: 259: 95: 543: 525: 283: 197: 169: 553: 3101:

or historical versions. In some cases it may not be clear which country some historical figures were mainly associated with, and official documents of the time may have mainly used the Latin version of their name. Louis versus Lewis is a red herring, nobody refers to e.g. Lewis XVI of France, and it could be a surprise to many English-speaking people that Lewis is the English version of Louis.

22: 336: 315: 441: 420: 1069: 451: 346: 2683:. The current "anti-system" we're using does not. Even if it were based on following the sources to different conclusions pretty much by accident from article to article, that would be undesirable, and seems like a form of wikilayering or loophole exploitation rather than applying common sense toward a better experience for readers and increased maintainability for editors. 662: 2814:

among English language historians, we should follow that. Whaleyland points out that the concensus is changing for French monarchs. If that is so, great, at a certain point I think we should change with it. At this point, I'm not sure the consensus has changed, compare google scholar searches of the two titles since 2013: in my searches, I see

829:"Although he had been married on February 13 1575 to Louise de Lorraine-Vaudémont, and expected to produce an heir, the transvestite King Henry III was not highly respected by the citizens or the nobility as he paraded around dressed in women's clothes, accompanied by a number of youthful male attendants referred to as his mignons (darlings)." 1072: 2832:

the use of diacritics, I know that has become popular to do this, but I am not a fan, that we insist on calling one king García, with the diacritic of Castilian Spanish even though most historians omit it, while we are perfectly happy rendering his father's name in fully English form, Ferdinand - that I do find a jarring inconsistency.

2637: 207: 4027:), since we could easily get some complicated and convoluted discussions. It could be artificial to treat the 4 French Henrys separately (although I am aware that we do this with Spanish Philips). Also, with some earlier monarchs, if we don't use the English version of their name, which version do we use? 3146:

policy, but I feel strongly that Knowledge (XXG) can be a source of change. Millions of people access the site every day, and while we certainly need to adhere to common standards, that does not mean we should do so blindly. NGRAM is an extremely useful tool, and it makes clear that before the 1820s,

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Not responsive. I've laid out why and how it's "broke". That something will be challenging isn't a reason not to do it. All sorts of debates are fine; that's what talk pages are for, and consensus is built on discussion. RM deals every single day with cases that are not entirely clear; we know how

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If it ain't broke don't fix it. This is opening a rather sizeable can of worms, why confine it to Henry III and not all four French Henrys? I tend to think we that if in doubt we should anglicise, potentially we could get all sorts of disputes about whether we should go for modern versions of names

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Well, it's kind of generated those discussions I said, and it's clear that the argument I've presented (for my part at least) has nothing to do with "real" names, but with selecting a consistent approach to this set of topics for the benefit of (primarily) readers. I'm disappointed this has meandered

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Except the whole point is that we don't. Examples: We have a general consensus to use diacritics in names which properly contain them, even when the majority of English-language sources on a subject lazily drop them (especially newspapers, entertainment magazines, and sports federations) unless (per

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I agree with Agricolae, we should use the most common spelling in modern sources, particularly academic sources. Generally, more famous individuals (particularly royals and saints) are more likely to have their name Anglicized in a uniform way based on conventions that developed some time ago and are

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is being applied, no analysis being done, i.e. no actual following of sources in any way, just insertion of personal preference. Alternatively we can say "picking different renderings on a per-bio basis is a mess; it's more useful to the project to use Henry for the English figures and Henri for the

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Then perhaps make an exception for him. I'm not sure this is a good one, though. By its reasoning, we'd move most pre-modern, post-Christianization European rulers' and nobles' (and clergymen's, and ...) names to Latin, because they more often used that when writing. I think what's happening here is

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I think this article is a little light on Henry's time in Poland. He was only there for a short time, but that period was a significant time in Polish history. I added wording to indicate that he fled Poland and didn't just "return" to France. He was later dethroned, although he retained the title

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Seems to me like you are saying that consistency should be ignored as unimportant? I am saying that it is of relatively high importance. If the best sources for Henry III use Henri and the best sources for Henry II use Henry, we should pick one and stick with it. The sources we are consulting do not

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Sure. And since we live after the middle of the 20th century, that's what I suggest WP should do, too, at least within reason (e.g., we're not going to move Russian czars' articles to Cyrillic-lettered titles here, of course). WP, because of it's ostensible desire to move away from systemic bias, is

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To provide some context for the "Henry" signature argument, Old and Middle French did not differentiate between the letters "y" and "i" in many contexts, so they are basically interchangeable until the eighteenth century when linguistic standards began to be adopted more widely in French. That being

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My gut feeling is the same - there is a general trend among English-Language historians to render names less in standardized modern-English forms, but I haven't looked at French histories written over the past decade to see if it has gotten to the French monarchs yet. As to SMcCandlish's comment on

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Although I did not read Alexandre Dumas "La Reine Margot", I did read "La Dame de Monsoreau" and "The Fourty-Five Guardsmen" (both books chronologically follow the first), which clearly depict Henry III as homosexual, that being the source for several jokes and gags. I think that the paragraph where

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Henry fled Paris because the Parisian mob, incited by Guise-led preachers since 1585, led by Guise's revolutionary team (the Sixteen), funded by Philip II of Spain, and inspired by Guise's entry into the city, overwhelmed Henry's army and threatened him in his own palace (the Louvre) on 12-May-1588.

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So far it looks like most of the examples of literature in this subject use "Henri" over Henry and in this discussion it feels more like the argument is for status quo over accuracy. Some people here are saying we're not doing it for all the French King Henrys which is far enough but we should take

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It feels wrong to me to hold back from this on the grounds that hypothetically in other cases there could be complicated discussions arising (perhaps for figures in more multi-lingual states there could be issues certainly). This monarch is a fairly simple case (imo), and if we act boldly on simple

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Even if a case could not be made for Henri IV, which I think it could, given that's how most of the books I know refer to him. Knowledge (XXG) is hardly absent of such inconsistencies. One only need to look at how all modern monarchs in Europe since 1900 have their names in their natural languages,

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John Salmon (1979) Society in Crisis: France in the Sixteenth Century - "His colleague Andre Ruiz faithfully served the interests of Philip II of Spain although he also farmed some Breton taxes, represented the local interests of the financier Gambattista Gondi and entertained the last Valois kings

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Nancy Roelker (1996) One King One Faith: The Parlement of Paris and the Religious Reformations of the Sixteenth Century - "The recurring issue of the Trent decrees had arisen over registration of the Ordinances of Blois in 1579, in which acceptance of some of the Trent decrees was slated - by Henri

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I made clear that my opinion went against WP policy, so I am not sure what you wanted to accomplish by making this statement. If you are accusing me of self-promotion, then outlining my credentials and experience with this topic is not self-promotion, it is laying out my cards. If you are referring

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pattern and its effect. A convention is not bad because one can find one failure among hundreds or thousands of successes, especially when the alternative is utter chaos and article-by-article constant strife. Which is a risk with these Henri/Henry articles; the only reason we've not seen more of

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is correct. An individual's consistent signature supersedes all cross-culture naming conventions. I have posted this image of the signature of Henry III for reference. If you can find where the French Kings signed their name Henri, then you would be right to move each that exhibits this preference.

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My argument for the move is on two grounds. WP:USEENGLISH, and WP:COMMONNAME. These 'general searches' that are being conducted in the replies to my move request, are overwhelmed with noise (on the first page we have a book from 1884, and an author who has used Henri, on the second we have another

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which we have in respect of the monarchs even taking into account the Louis example because Louis has long been used in English without any Anglicization whereas other French names have not been consistently used in that fashion. Some of the evidence presented above suggests that use in English is

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If it turns out that my proposal is unacceptable to a majority of informed editors, as is seeming to be the case so far (though we still have a bit more time to run on this move request) I could accept a compromise by which the article title remains the same, but we change to Henri in the body to

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Our general approach is to follow the sources, meaning modern ones. (We can't even use ancient manuscripts as sources directly, only cite modern publications that contain them.) There is no question that contemporary English-language sources frequently use "Henri" and also frequently use "Henry"

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This seems straightforward, but is not. How about kings of Navarre in the late middle ages, a Basque country that spanned the border of modern France and Spain? Or the rulers of Barcelona, where if we go by the French analogy we would have to change to Castilian versions (the national language)

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Henry III was French and was King of France for 15 years. He was king of Poland for a few months, and left ingloriously when his brother died and he became King of France. He was also not king of the two countries at the same time (except the brief period from when his brother died till when he

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I meant my comment to only apply to figures about which historians write, not to living people who write their name differently from expected or to species. I also was only thinking about titles for articles, not job titles. My thinking is that in cases where their is a consensus in the writings

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These results are not cherrypicked, this is just a list of the majority of active scholars working in field of the French Wars of Religion since 1960. The link you provide there seems to just repeatedly list Knechts book (4 times on thr first page + a medical journals discussion of Henri III of

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To this end I will outline the scope of the English language historical literature in contemporary scholarship that now employs the name Henri for the king, and thereby demonstrate that it is the common use we should be following in our article for the king. I shall limit myself to one book per

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can choose to best fit our criteria) and that it is not Jacobus or Jennifer or the Snorkelweasel the Great. The fact that we've evolved a near-stable naming convention with regard to noble styles and titles in these articles' names, yet they rarely match the no. 1 most common appellation for a

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It is a little unclear what we are now to be supporting/opposing through this discussion as it has become quite wide-ranging. Are we confining ourselves to French monarchs called Henry/Henri, or looking at all French royalty/nobility named Henry/Henri, or are we looking at all Anglicizations of

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I am not arguing for 'Henry' on the basis of 16th-century signatures. I am arguing against this 'accuracy' nonsense. Some editors may be under the mistaken impression that the modern French form is more authentic or accurate. Even you seem to be saying that if we count all the English RS and a

3363:– fascinating discussion, but seems to me that Henry is by far more common in English sources, so might as well let it be. I do not mean to contradict that "Knowledge (XXG) can be a source of change", but that's not really our purpose and I don't see how it's an appropriate goal on this one. 1316:

Thank you kindly for the information. I found the web page quite informative and I might try out a recipe from there too. What do you know about the hot water issue? It is an unusual claim, yet many unusual claims are made at this project. Some are more often made from certain quarters, but

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I've opened this as a general discussion and a simplified RM, rather than a long-list multi-RM, to inspire detailed discussion versus knee-jerk !voting (in either direction). Doing a multi-RM of all the "Henry" pages to "Henri" names would also leave out all the "Henri" talk pages from RM

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Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a "legimate" source to confirm/deny any information in regards to his sexuality or habits of dress so I putting this info here instead of in the article. As soon as I find something the revelant info will be added to the offical article page.

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We all know that's what we're doing now and what rationale is offered for it. Reiterating that doesn't address this proposal on its merits (and it is explicitly a proposal to set a default then consider each case on its merits in light of that default, not "impose" "blanket moves".

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decisions, patterns, and (rarely) move-warring, here's what I'm seeing so far (and note that many of these are stubs, often tagged with verifiability dispute templates, and when we're using "Henry" the cited source or sources often do not, though are sometimes non-English works):

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Fundamentally my argument is that modern scholarship overwhelmingly uses Henri, and therefore per WP:COMMONNAME we should bring the article into line with this. I apologise if I have used the word 'accuracy' to refer to bringing it into line with the scholarship inaccurately. :)

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I think consistency is overrated when it comes to name forms. I can see wanting to use the same form for most monarchs of a single country, but aiming for the same name form for everyone who ever lived in the geographical area that is now encompassed by a modern country? no.

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to do this (through research and common sense leading to a per-article consensus when necessary). I did intend "Lewis" as humorous hyperbole, but it turns out someone is actually convinced we should be anglicizing that much, so I was in no way wrong to make the comparison.

1698:, too (I know I would never write "Henry of France" in running prose myself, and even in a paragraph about France "Henry IV", etc., appear to refer to English enemies). We could probably also disambiguate a little less in actual titles if we were using the proper spelling. 3284:

pending evidence of change in English generally. We are not a clarion of change, with which to make "statements"; we are a work of reference. If Henty III, or Henry of Navarre, becomes as outmoded as "Lewis of France" - now some two centuries out of date - we should change

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Nicola Sutherland (1973) The Massacre of St Bartholomew and the European Conflict 1559-1572 "According to Sir Nicholas Throckmorton, the English ambassador, Condé's life was again threatened at the time of the abortive Gusiard 'Nemours conspiracy' to abduct Henri duc

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I had not considered the evolution of the French language from Middle to Modern and its effect on a signature, but in the Kings of France we debate both personal and regnal names. The name of a reign should reflect the period, no? Consider me neutral on the matter. -

2229:), but then veer into "Henry" in the text, which is just wrong. They may also be misnamed, in that we use the most senior title when disambiguating by title, and the most senior title of both seems to be Duke, though these titles may be effectively fictional anyway. 3651:– I understand a discussion on this topic took place back in 2018, however in my opinion the discussion got a little derailed from the important reasons to action this move, the prevelance of the usage of Henri in the English language sourcing for this period. 995:

The description on the image page (in French) says it used to be identified as a picture of Alençon, but that it has now been shown to be of Henri. I'm not sure, but I suppose we should stick with that. On the other hand, why two pictures in the same place?

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There is a reference to the science fiction novel "Vive le Roi!" by Vivian Davis. I've searched the web through and through but couldn't find anything about this mysterious author. Nor did I find the book. Now, who the hell is this Vivian Davis? Any ideas?

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I suspect some on this platform would support that however the fact that we do not anglicise more modern names makes our caution with older names quite jarring, especially when its not reflected in the scholarship as I have presented above this discussion.

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The LGBT Project tag I've added implies nothing about Henry's sexuality. It says his life is of interest to the Project's participants. The fact that many of his contemporaries charged him with homosexuality makes him/his court/reign a person of interest.

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Perhaps best for the Popular Culture section, a miniature portrait of Henri II in a locket has been identified and offered to the Louvre by a collector (January 2021). I'm not saavy enough to do editing, but maybe some else would like to add this story:

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Henry Heller (1991) Iron and Blood: Civil War in Sixteenth Century France - "In his memoires, Saulx-Tavannes claims that in 1587 the Huguenots offered to conclude an alliance with the duke of Guise, the darling of the Catholic bourgeoisie against Henri

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it's the same person as the pic featured on this page - and the name of the sitter is written right on the drawing. I'm no expert of 16th century art, but the two paintings featured at right on the page for Henri III do not look like the same person.

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blanket moves, each case should be considered on its own merits. There is no consistency on whether we use foreign language or English variants of foreign royal names, because reliable sources don't treat them with consistency. As with most things,

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Looking at the titles of the references in this article does not show a clear preponderence of Henri III. Although generally I am against English bias on wikipedia, in the case of monarchs' names it is right to say "if in doubt, anglicise" (see

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policy. Even if they have English titles in there somewhere, if the title given in our article title is a title in France not Britain, use Henri unless they have some clear connection to English history on the English side of it. Employ the

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From the 1700s or so onward, we're consistently using "Henri" for all French bio subjects with the name. I cannot find a single counter-example, and I cannot think of defensible rationale to veer into "Henry" from the 17th century backwards.

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should be our guide here, not imposing unusual names on people just to fit a notional internal style. It tends to be that contemporary royals are referred to by their native names, while older ones are given an anglicised name, for example

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off into dogged insistence on imitating a particular subset of RS who do not follow our style but their own and who are contradicted not only but another subset of RS but one we know for a fact is ascendant. It's rather pathetic to me.

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to me disapproving of WP policy, that is why I gave my disclaimer. Regardless, my point still stands — historical trends are changing and we do not have to stand on the sidelines just waiting for NGRAM to suddenly flip the statistics.

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It is a well known historical fact that he was a homosexual. I'm reading a Catherine de Medici biography which repeatedly cites sources. I've also seen it in oter sources. When I have my computer and the book I will cite it here.

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The picture at the top right of this article that is supposedly of Henri III when he was duc d'Anjou may actually be a picture of his younger brother, Francois, duc d'Alencon (and later duc d'Anjou). Someone needs to check this out.

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grounds - his name in English usage is Henry, and even though modern scholars are using the French form more now, a general search shows otherwise, and my sense is having an inconsistent Henry would be more confusing than helpful.

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This article presently doesn't have much in the way of modern scholarship among its references. In my case for this move, I have captured a snapshot of modern specialist scholarship on this period, which favours Henri by about 4:1

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Yes, I removed it this April, because I could not find a legitmate source confirming or denying the statement. I would not have deleted it, otherwise. If it's true, it should be put back in, if it's some speculative nonsense,

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Arlette Jouanna (2016) The St Bartholomew's Day Massacre: The Mysteries of a Crime of State "On the biggest chariot the king of France sat beside Neptune, god of the sea, while the king's brothers Henri d'Anjou and François

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I must admit I hadn't noticed Isabel II. I rather suspect that "Wilhelm" became entrenched during and after WWI, as a form of othering. There's a real epidemic of royal RMs at the moment; also for very old Indian polities.

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Joan Davies (1992) The politics of the marriage bed: Matrimony and the Montmorency Family 1527-1612 - "The marriages of the children of Henri de Montmorency attracted the concern of Catherine de Médicis and her son Henri

2276:) was moved back to French from English on the basis that the person who moved it to English was an alleged sock of a banned user, but that's not good reason when the move was actually correct. Several others are using " 3830:

As for WP:USEENGLISH, I would argue, that once we limit our consideration to how he is referred to in relevant academic materials, this in fact supports my case for the name change as per what I have presented above.

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In regards to consistency, I agree this would be annoying but I would be more than happy to extend the argument I have made here, to also cover the other Henri's, as with enough time I could construct similar cases.

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Some detail on the "WP does not blindly follow sources on style and titles" theme: The selection of sources for any particular article is skewed and incomplete anyway, but regardless, we use an internal consensus on

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Stuart Carroll (2005) Noble Power during the French Wars of Religion - "Consequently the Guise suffered a loss of influence at court which was to last with some interruptions until the accession of Henri III in

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still largely kept, while less famous individuals are written about in English only more recently when writers are less likely to Anglicize. I think that inconsistency is just something we have to live with.

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David Potter (2001) The French Protestant Nobility in 1562: The Association of Monseigneur le prince de Condé "Moigneville was still active as a Protestant in the Norman Estates of 1579, much to Henri III's

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Could someone look at these, please? There are inconsistencies between the dates on which he was elected, assumed the throne and was crowned between "his" entry and that of Anna, his successor. Thank you.

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As I dicuss in my introduction to this move. That biography uses both Henry and Henri, I then complement that biography with the wider context of specialist literature, which overwhelmingly favours Henri.

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Jérémie Foa (2004) Making Peace: The Commissioners for Enforcing the Pacification Edicts in the Reign of Charles IX (1560-1574) - "The pacification missions during the reign of Henri III, which did exist"

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transitioning from Anglicization to the French form but I do not consider the evidence strong enough at this point to justify a blanket move among monarchs from the English to French name. Accordingly, I

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Hilary Bernstein (2004) Between Crown and Community: Politics and Civic Culture in Sixteenth Century Poitiers - "In an election of 1575 at least forty three officials cast a vote, and Henri III created"

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false! you can clearly read "le duc d'alencon" in the upper right and henri did never had this apanage ... and the picture also matches with a portrait of the young duke francois of alencon-anjou:

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Yes and François II spelled his name 'francoys' (because I and Y were not overly differentiated yet) while John of England spelled his name Jehan and Stephen of England spelled his name Estienne.

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Other historians of the period of French history, such as Mark Greengrass and Robert Kingdon use Henri to refer to Henri II, but don't cover Henri III's reign (at least in any books that I own).

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Barbara Diefendorf (2019) Planting the Cross: Catholic Reform and Renewal in Sixteenth- and Seventeenth Century France - "In 1576, and again in 1584 when the death of Henri III's younger brother"

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I am open to having those articles moved as well as the same logic would follow definitely for Henri II, and likely for Henri IV (given his most recent English biography calls him Henri IV).

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Not sure why, but beginning around the middle of the 20th century, the English language began using non-English names for non-English speaking countries. The first primary example was

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discussion or other concerns being taken into account, yet with a strong but not quite overwhelming preference for "Henri" (sometimes in the text at articles spelled "Henry", too).

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WP:USEENGLISH is something that supports my case for the move. As all the scholars I have listed are English and it is the standard way they render it. 05:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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I tend to agree that's jarring, but it's an odd outlier, a mix-and-matching of styles in the same name or set of names in the same passage. I don't think it relates, even to the

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It's common for kings, queens, popes, etc., to select a new name (usually a traditional one borne by previous holders of the same office/station) upon coming into the position.

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The signature argument was meant to prevent silly discussions about the subject's "real" name. As for using modern French spellings, that would leave us with articles such as

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nevertheless, let's try to get to the bottom of that one. L'honneur de la France n'est certainement pas en jeu à ce sujet, mais si c'est un non-sens, il va dans la poubelle.

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I do not think google ngrams are the way to go for understanding how he is referred to in contemporary academic literature. There is far too much noise in such an approach

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The only modern English historians of this period of French history who consistently Anglicise his name to my knowledge are Penny Roberts, Mack Holt and Philip Benedict

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is veer back-and-forth from article to article – we're presently doing it. The point of the list of article history I amassed is that there's overwhelming evidence that

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which we did not use long. So, we're occassionally using "Henry" for French subjects but if and only if it's a stand-alone first name, and only doing it here and there.

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The best sources for Henri III use Henri, the best sources for Henri II use Henri. I don't have too much on Henri IV's reign, but his most recent biography uses Henri.

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I have updated, this section and cited sources. Additionally, I renamed this section Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, as it is more accurately reflects the contents.

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Frederic Baumgartner (1986) Change and Continuity in the French Episcopate - "These problems were consequences of both the characters of Charles IX and Henri III"

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French ones" (and presumably Heirich for the Germans and so on), since they're certainly attested in RS, and the result is more consistent, i.e. better fits the

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notification; I'm instead notifying both sets manually, to centralize the discussion. I'll also notify appropriate project pages, so this gets hashed out well.

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https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Henry+III+of+France%2C+Henri+III+of+France&year_start=1800&year_end=2018&corpus=15&smoothing=3

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Both forms get used, but I'd be inclined to go with SMcC on this one in favour of Henri, which seems to be the preference of current quality sources.

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Anonymous editor, we're back to square one. If these allegations are true or can be substantianted, let them stay in the article. If they are from a

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That doesn't help at all - the text should use the same version of the names as the title wherever appropriate, as the MOS no doubt says somewhere.

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Robert Harding (1978) Anatomy of a Provincial Elite: The Provincial governors of Early Modern France - "At first the accession of Henri III in 1574"

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was published in 2014. (Surtsicna and Agricolae have made the broader point already.) There could probably be a little more consistency, but mostly

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had one French title but was thoroughly German (based in Stuttgart) and probably otherwise known as Heinrich, though our article doesn't go into it.

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The usage of Henry and Henri appears to be mixed. It is common for European monarchs of this time period to have their names rendered in English.

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Because English is in part constituted of Middle French, why not treat all Old and Middle French as one standard, and Modern French as another? -

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and then many of them before that do not, Felipe VI (his predecessor being 'Philip V' on Knowledge (XXG) being the most obvious example of this.

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which is clearly an error. It's unclear who "Henry I" would refer to in the context of this "Henry II", why he's labeled "Henry II" here, or why

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The article claims, "Other inventions introduced to the French by the Polish included a bath with regulated hot and cold water and the fork."

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Navarre, aka Henri IV - this is why I do not use search results, noise and unreliability), which I already mentioned in my discussion up top

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Can we please not return to signature arguments based on middle French. This was an entirely pointless detour during the last move debate.

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and all its many subcats, same for counts, princes, etc. I've ignored Luxembourg, Belgium, Rhenish Franconia, etc.; focus on France for now.

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rules against over-stylization of proper names to mimic logos and other preferences of the subject, as just another example. Our hands are

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French names including John/Jean, Philip/Phillipe, Francis/Françoise among the royalty/nobility? To my mind, the initial starting point is

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I would say since 1800ish, or the French Revolution, which is how is for Spain. No one would support "Louis Philip" or "Francis Joseph"

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Who the hell refers to the French kings as Lewis?! Shakespeare sometimes did, it's true. But in the last century (at least)? Really? --

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C'est ce que je pensais être le cas. Pensez-vous que l'information erronée devrait être retiré, ou si une autre guerre mondiale éclate?

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My point, even historically, there's inconsistency in how the English language handles the names of monarchs. Even within one country.

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Vincent Pitts (2012) Henri IV: His Reign and Age - "Henri's classmates included Charles IX's younger brother, the future Henri III"

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Robert Knecht (2016) Hero or Tyrant? Henry III, King of France - "Meanwhile Henri, duc d'Anjou set about organising his household"

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have longer actual names like Gaston-Henri of Bourbon-Verneuil (i.e., they're Henris we would definitely not re-do as Henrys).

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The accuracy we are conforming to is modern scholarship, not middle French, the former of which overwhelmingly uses 'Henri'.

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I've moved this from "Henri III of France" - not only is this the more common spelling in English, we also have articles at

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this case by case. And when people well versed in this subject are using Henri, I'm inclined to use that spelling too.

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it says that "La Reine Margot" doesn't describe him as homosexual should be removed, because it is at least misleading.

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it than I've already documented is the relative obscurity and the small number of editors working on them at present.

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Regarding ascendance, here is the google books ngram viewer for "Henry III of France" vs "Henri III of France":

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would suggest using "Henry" for a handful of these, especially the kings, but COMMONNAME is not even one of the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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than French, though nothing in the articles suggests they're otherwise known as Heinrich (Bar is in what's now

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have to be consistent from one to the next. But I bet they are internally consistent between the two Henries.

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Yeah, I was too stunned by GoodDay's response to even reply to it. I thought maybe it was some kind of joke.

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Two articles on modern Orléanlist pretenders to the defunct French crown are correctly titled with "Henri" (

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at all, it's just the default suggestion to test against the actual criteria; when we do so, "Henry" fails

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his name at birth was alexandre édouard, he adopted the name of his grandfather as he became more active

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If this article is moved, no disambiguation in the title would be needed here. So it should be moved to

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doesn't apply here, because English language sources routinely use "Henri", so it's not a foreignism.

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I'm confused - Did Henry flee Paris in fear of Guise and/or did he flee after the murder of Guise? --

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Additional notes: Several of these need to move to use English instead of French styles and titles;

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When hyphenated or used as a middle name, we're consistently using "Henri" regardless of era, e.g.

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Okay, THANKS A LOT for the research you did! You convinced me ... and we can add the picture again.

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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definitely applies to that, and almost all of them are in English, so the few that are not are a

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This will have to do for the time being, while I am trying to find a more wikiacceptable source.

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majority use 'Henri', that makes it more 'accurate'. It doesn't. This isn't an accuracy issue.

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in English language sources (histories and biographies)? if so... we should use that variant.

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is pure "Franglais" bastardization. It has been at "Henry" al along, with no talk-page threads.

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for the present king, even though they share a name and ordinal sequence in common. Thanks —

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PS: I have not gone through every single French bio category; I mostly went trawling through

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this articles needs to cite stuff, particularly the polish part, sounds like folklore to me.

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For 90 days or was it a little longer? Incidentally, which Polish King, reigned the longest?

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https://news.artnet.com/art-world/art-dealer-discovered-rare-miniature-king-henri-iii-1939756

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A review below indicates these articles have all been named completely randomly without any

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No need of that. He was a king of Poland only for a short while. Besides, he wasn't Henry

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Not sure I understand the opposes, modern quality sources in Gbooks are Henri it seems.

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whose antics and mode of dress brought the king and French court into such disrepute.--

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groups and not across them. The French kings are all Henry and that's appropriate.

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was opened, but no discussion resulted. The one poster wanted to rely entirely on

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to impose consistency on similar titles at this time, per the discussion below.

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to "Lewis Mountbatten" for fear his name has been irreperably "frenchified".

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is not a suicide pact, and cannot be used to sweep away other concerns like

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Nope, unlike Jogaila/Jagiełło, Henry was actually the king of both states.

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I see nothing wrong with the present title of this article. The man even

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It has nothing to do with accuracy. He spelled his own name with a 'y'.

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A cette époque, on appréciait particulièrement les pâtés de viande...

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Allez-y et retirez l'information erronée. Je couvrirai vos arrières !

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Which relates in no way to changing French kings' names to "Lewis".

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has been at "Henry" the entire time; no Henri/Henry-related threads.

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same way his brother françois was called hercule-françois at birth

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The most recent biography of Henry III (Knecht's) uses Henry III.

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reflect how he is referred to by the vast majority of academics.

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No, Francois had a big nose and Henri had a small nose like here

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that. Some consistency among the nobility might be good though.

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Whaleyland, below, articulates the issue much better than I am.

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has been at "Henri" the entire time; no discussion of anything.

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I find it astonishing that the article contains nothing about

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Translation: Go ahead & remove, I'll cover your rearguard!

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has been at "Henri" the entire time; no name-related threads.

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sex?). There are however also signs that he may have been

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Do you mean like Wladislaw II of Lithuania and Poland?

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Quant à l'honneur de la France, il en a vu d'autres!

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Why was his name to Henry from Alexandre Edouard?--

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Look at here Henry III : 4057:cases more complex figures can be handled later. 732:Henry III arranged for Guise's murder afterwards. 686:] The anchor (#The Parlement of Paris) has been 647: 4546:Knowledge (XXG) level-5 vital articles in People 1962:Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne, Viscount of Turenne 1843:Henri-Jacques Nompar de Caumont, duc de La Force 1827:Henri-Jacques Nompar de Caumont, duc de La Force 1815:François-Henri de Montmorency, duc de Luxembourg 2304:", and we should also settle on whether to use 642:RM, Henry III of France → Henri III of France, 632:RM, Henry III of France → Henri III of France, 2482:Will we next be changing the article name for 2402:- These articles should remain under the name 2255:have always been at "Henry"; empty talk pages. 2218:, has always been at "Henry"; empty talk page. 2210:Henri de Talleyrand-Périgord, comte de Chalais 2150:, has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2120:, was moved to "Henri" in 2007; no discussion. 2114:, has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2102:, has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2096:, has always been at "Henry"; empty talk page. 2090:, has always been at "Henry"; empty talk page. 2084:, has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2072:, has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2014:Talk:Henry II, Duke of Lorraine#Henry or Henri 2006:, has always been at "Henry"; empty talk page. 1523:This message was posted before February 2018. 1158:What was it before? Why was his name changed? 1968:Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne, Duke of Bouillon 8: 4591:High-importance biography (royalty) articles 2305: 2180:has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2168:has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2160:Henri Coiffier de Ruzé, Marquis of Cinq-Mars 2144:was moved to "Henri" in 2010; no discussion. 2138:was moved to "Henri" in 2010; no discussion. 2126:has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 2078:has always been at "Henry"; empty talk page. 2039:is a redlink. My initial guess is we need a 2000:has always been at "Henri"; empty talk page. 1515:http://www.tatoufaux.com/spip.php?article375 870:A good source on Henry's sexuality would be 4581:Politics and government work group articles 1747: 19: 3655:historian to avoid this going on forever. 3596:The following is a closed discussion of a 3291:Be not the first by which the new is tried 2897:Henri IV on Horseback Trampling The Ugly Y 1904:Talk:Henri, Count of Chambord#Request Move 1851:Henri-Auguste de Loménie, comte de Brienne 1756: 1603:The following is a closed discussion of a 1493:I have just modified one external link on 783: 519: 414: 309: 163: 58: 740:Also, shouldn't this article be moved to 4586:Start-Class biography (royalty) articles 4536:Knowledge (XXG) vital articles in People 4226: 4219: 3178:FWIW, it's not Knowledge (XXG)'s job to 1831:Henri-Nompar de Caumont, duc de La Force 1098:polish influences section has no sources 590:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject LGBT studies 1992:Henri II d'Orléans, Duke of Longueville 1656:– I'm assuming this has been discussed 521: 416: 311: 165: 60: 4531:Knowledge (XXG) level-5 vital articles 1787:François-Henri de Franquetot de Coigny 1486:External links modified (January 2018) 269:the politics and government work group 3296:Nor yet the last to lay the old aside 2816:224 results for "Henry III of France" 2466:Macaulay. Not a current reference.... 2274:Henri I d'Orléans, duc de Longueville 1986:Henri I d'Orléans, duc de Longueville 1823:Charles-Henri-Louis d'Arsac de Ternay 1626:this page to the proposed title, and 242:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Biography 126:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Lithuania 7: 4551:Start-Class vital articles in People 3934:As I pointed out in a recent RM for 3698:of France, Charles IX and Henri III" 3615:The result of the move request was: 2820:95 results for "Henri III of France" 1863:Octave-Henri Gabriel, comte de Ségur 1847:Louis Henri de Pardaillan de Gondrin 1622:The result of the move request was: 1226:mais Catherine de Médicis, voyons !! 917:Shouldn't this article be rather at 462:This article is within the scope of 357:This article is within the scope of 218:This article is within the scope of 106:This article is within the scope of 3387:(which is not Oxford U. Press's or 3055:, a seventeenth century royal, but 2880:The Victoria and Albert's opinion. 2418:until the current king, which uses 1890:Talk:Henry IV of France#Henry/Henri 1783:Henri-Charles du Cambout de Coislin 49:It is of interest to the following 4561:High-importance Lithuania articles 4541:Start-Class level-5 vital articles 4152:, often anglicized as Henry III... 2094:Henry of Lorraine, Duke of Mayenne 2004:Henry of Lorraine, Duke of Mayenne 1932:Henri, Prince of Condé (1588–1646) 1926:Henri, Prince of Condé (1552–1588) 1908:Talk:Henri, Count of Chambord#Name 482:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject France 377:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Poland 14: 4641:WikiProject LGBT studies articles 4345:, which already directs here per 3584:Henri III a new case for the move 2227:Henri, Count of Paris (1908–1999) 2223:Henri, Count of Paris (born 1933) 2047:move (or to the "Henri" spelling) 1867:Claude-Henri de Fusée de Voisenon 1859:Alphonse Henri, Count of Harcourt 1855:Louis Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne 1839:Charles Henri, Prince of Commercy 1811:Jacques Henri de Durfort de Duras 1791:Jacques Henri de Durfort de Duras 1497:. Please take a moment to review 861:-like source please remove them. 593:Template:WikiProject LGBT studies 4488:The discussion above is closed. 1799:Philippe Henri, marquis de Ségur 660: 617: 551: 541: 523: 449: 439: 418: 344: 334: 313: 293:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility 205: 195: 167: 93: 83: 62: 29: 20: 4626:High-importance France articles 4497:Henri III’s Polish regnal dates 1660:before, but I'd like to open a 564:This article is of interest to 502:This article has been rated as 397:This article has been rated as 146:This article has been rated as 4611:Top-importance Poland articles 4601:WikiProject Biography articles 4566:Start-Class biography articles 4556:Start-Class Lithuania articles 3905:) 16:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC). 2100:Henri Louis, Prince of Guéméné 2076:Henry de Nogaret de La Valette 1835:Nicolas Henri, Duke of Orléans 1819:Charles Henri Hector d'Estaing 1795:Charles Henri Hector d'Estaing 1715:07:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 1439:21:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC) 1415:21:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC) 1154:In 1564, his name became Henri 1132:Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 1122:Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 919:Henry III of Poland and France 746:Henry III of France and Poland 742:Henry III of Poland and France 245:Template:WikiProject Biography 129:Template:WikiProject Lithuania 1: 4512:22:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC) 3552:07:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC) 3536: 3526:07:04, 23 February 2018 (UTC) 3439:22:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 3423: 3277:12:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC) 3256:01:26, 27 February 2018 (UTC) 3222:05:37, 27 February 2018 (UTC) 3194:14:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC) 3170:07:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC) 3133:07:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC) 3117: 3111:01:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC) 3091:07:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC) 3075: 3069:09:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC) 3038:09:17, 23 February 2018 (UTC) 2993:16:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 2980:16:17, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 2964: 2958:15:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 2926:21:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2890:19:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2868:16:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 2852: 2842:15:08, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 2827:23:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2809:22:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2793: 2783:13:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2773:12:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2751:23:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2732:11:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2701:21:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2685: 2659:10:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2627:15:08, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 2612:21:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2596: 2587:09:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2564:22:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2548: 2543:21:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2517:22:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2501: 2496:15:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2462:14:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2448:07:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2430:, yet the current queen uses 2395:07:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2381:07:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2365: 2339:07:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 2323: 2233:Henry I, Count of Montbéliard 2136:Henri Charles de La Trémoille 2088:Henry, Duke of Lower Lorraine 1910:, but no discussion resulted. 1700: 1480:00:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 1464: 907:01:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC) 476:and see a list of open tasks. 371:and see a list of open tasks. 290:This article is supported by 266:This article is supported by 120:and see a list of open tasks. 4631:All WikiProject France pages 3944:Victor Emmanuel III of Italy 3761:) 17:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC) 3589:Requested move 5 August 2023 1938:Henri Jules, Prince of Condé 1807:Louis Henri, Prince of Condé 1803:Louis Henri, Duke of Bourbon 1591:15:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC) 1144:01:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC) 933:03:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC) 798:17:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC) 230:contribute to the discussion 4621:Start-Class France articles 4616:WikiProject Poland articles 4606:Start-Class Poland articles 4596:Royalty work group articles 4483:13:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC) 4462:05:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC) 4448:05:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC) 4433:21:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC) 4410:05:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC) 4391:18:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC) 3781:18:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC) 3628:00:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC) 3533:The World Book Encyclopedia 3452:. 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