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I was thinking that some examples in their original language might be better, though you could provide the Latin, with the
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That is in the choice of Latin words, often very obscure or even invented. It cannot really be conveyed in translation. As other editors said above, I should probably have included some original Latin, but it would not help unless the reader is an expert.
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