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I clicked the first five links on a websearch for how to use mala and four of them mentioned or described in detail how to use them for counting breaths, one calling it pranayama practise. Three of those sites mentioned that they are called japa mala or japamala but only one of those three used it in
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I have not heard of any other use, though it would seem that they may be symbolic for many things: in Thai traditions, wearing them often points to a
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While this is most common, there are other possible numbers depending on religion/sect--it doesn't have to be 108 as the article seems to suggest. I do not know enough about it, however, to edit the article and provide proper information, as in my particular sect of
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Hi, as the mala is used in both Hindu and
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then that's missing the whole point in my opinion. As long as enough links are given from a variety of sources, and they are not blatant spam, (i.e selling japa beads) then I really don't see the harm? The guidelines should not stop us from providing the reader with relevant information.
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for general guidance on what should be considered for a link. These sites do not cite any reliable sources and push specific religous groups. They are inappropriate for this article. It is not "too harsh" to expect that policy on links be followed.
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directory, then yes, pick the better ones out and remove the others - but otherwise what's the harm in leaving them alone? We both know that Swami
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I have said what I had to say. If you don't agree, do whatever you want; which I am sure you will anyway. I am done here, there are a mllion other things to do here and in life. Please keep the discussion
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