Talk:History of the Philippines (1898–1946)

1229:, "insurgents" is OK to use. I do not think that it is a negative term, certainly not to this American. I have a positive view of insurgents (American Revolution, French resistance, Iraqi Kurds under Saddam, etc.) and view them as often fighting the legally recognized but illegitimate rulers. I don't think that there is any question that the Americans were considered under International law as the legal rulers of the Philippines (and that statement has more to say about international law then the Filipino troops). Finally, there were Filipino troops fighting for the Americans as well, especially as the war progressed and more and more Filipinos gave up the fight and sided at least technically with the Americans. -- 1561:(not previewable online), which says that after Iloilo's business community petitioned Otis on 13 December for American occupation of the city to prevent it being burned by revolutionaries, on 24 Dec Otis ordered Miller to proceed to Ilolo and occupy the city, sure that the mission would be peaceful. Linn goes on with details of what apparently degenerated into confusion and stalemate, with Otis torn between instructions from McKinley to demonstrate US Sovereignty and also to avoid provoking war, leading to Miller and his troops departing Iloilo on 6 January to return to Manila -- arriving back on 2 February after 94 days at sea without having landed. The term " 2754:, too many instances of content which should be in detail articles being missing from there but appearing in what should be summary articles instead, and some instances of conflict over detail between articles. All of that needs a hard look, and it's way too much for me to take on -- I'm glad to see you looking at it. As far as organization goes, the current division line at 1898 seems wrong to me, but that may be just because it falls in the middle of what has become an area of interest to me. I tend to think of 1892 to 1935 as a unit, running through the early part of the revolution against Spanish rule ( 212: 185: 74: 53: 222: 84: 288: 1518:(previewable online) quotes remarks attributed to Aguinaldo but different from the "My nation cannot remain indifferent ..." remarks quoted in the article and in sources mentioned above. That other quote begins "My government" (vs. "My nation"), and speaks specifically of American troops trying to take forcible possession of the Visayan islands. The mention of the Visayas probably relates to actions (described ( 2641:. There's no pageno info there, though, and the book is cited elsewhere in the article in support of other points. If I had a copy of the book or could find info online to do it, I would try to convert those cites to page-numbered shortened footnotes linked to a full cite of the book, but if I had some ham I could make a ham and egg sandwich if I had an egg and if I had some bread. Oh well. Thanks again. 2307:– It sounds abnormal to read the article since the era from 1898 to 1946 was clearly defined as the era of American colonization, yet the page sounds too neutral for a country that once engaged in colonial expansionism. It needs to be known as the Philippines under American control, since the United States violently regenerated the independence of the Philippines and occupied it. 324: 22: 2623:. It has a section "Preservation of the Existing System of Landownership", which opens "The basic elements of early US land policy in the Philippines...beginning with the 1989 Treaty of Paris. This treaty...committed the US to nonetheless respect the inherited . Without disturbing these prior holdings, the Americans introduced the Torrens titling system in 1902." 744:, (Approved: August 29, 1916) refers multiple times to "Government of the Philippines", "government of the Philippine Islands, "government of said islands", "Philippine Government" (those I've shown with a small 'g' are also used with a big 'G'). It mentions the word "insular" once, speaking of "... natives of the insular possessions of the United States, ...". 1616:) and replaced it with more extensive content citing another source containing the expanded content. The sources differ slightly on details (including differences in the exact wording of Aguinaldo proclamations quoted in the article). The differences between the sources are minor, however, and I don't see my not highlighting them here as flouting 1651: 1646: 704:

government," that could obviously apply to the government of any period. "Philippine" and "insular government" gives you 49,400 hits. "Government of the Philippines Islands" was the most official variation, so it cannot be excluded. But its use creates certain practical issues. After all, you can't talk about the "government period."

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were based. There is some major controversy here between the Aguinaldo source and the Worcester source. What other sources I've found tend to support Worcester, and he certainly supports his side of the points in controversy strongly -- he provides much discussion about this which I have not drawn into the article.

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Actually I just moved it and the unreferenced tag to the top of the page they were both already on the article. I have no position on the articles neutrality. I would say the article look highly referenced now which it was not last time i was here. Considering the body of rework that has been done

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I've integrated my first-cut rewrite of the early sections of this article by completely replacing the first two sections with my rewritten version covering the same time period. I am working solely from online sources, and I no doubt have not seen some of the sources on which the parts I've replaced

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in the June 12 (Independence day) edition of the Philippine Star. That column puts a slant on this which I have not seen previously. In particular, that column says that Aguinaldo "invented the white 'lie' that the Americans had promised independence if they fought against Spain." The column cites a

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article which precedes it in the historical timeline. The change would be to begin this article not with the outbreak of the Spanish–American War in April 1898 but, instead, with the declaration of Philippine independence by Emil Aguinaldo's newly proclaimed insurgent dictatorial government (soon to

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I rewrote the intro to make it shorter and cleaner without removing the neutrality. I hope that I succeeded. If I didn't please let me know, or revert my changes. i think that the opening only needs to be a quick sign-posting of the coming article and phrases like "acquired sovereignty" to maintain

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section, to associate it with those events and to cite the Denson source in support. I'm also inclined to add a footnote citing the Wolff source, containing information about the difference between the two sources regarding the timing of the statement. I'm also inclined to add info about Aguinaldo's

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It seems that you are attaching great significance to every mention of the word "government," but "United States Military Government" and "government of the Commonwealth of the Philippine Islands" are enshrined in law as well. The commonwealth act uses "Government of the Philippine Islands" to refer

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Point taken about the Insular period -- I thought about that but didn't see any quick way around it. Google counts like those can be useful to get rough initial indications, I think, but they can't really be relied on too much -- I remember seeing a guideline about that somewhere. I tried to balance

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I want to say first I understand and agree that American imperialism in the Phillipines was completely wrong. I don't think the article title implies that, or necessarily deemphasizes it, or justifies the colonization. I think the article content makes it clear that America did bad things, but that

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section, there is a source-supported assertion beginning "three days later", saying that three days after General Otis's January 4, 1899 publication of his abridged version of President McKinley's Proclamation of Benevolent Assimilation, Aguinaldo published a statement said to be "close to a formal

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So even though this act was drawn up at a time when the insular government was still operating, the legislators did not identify GPI as the proper name of an existing government. To establish that GPI is in fact a proper noun, we would need examples of post-1935 use where it is used to refer to the

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Looking back a bit further in this talk page section, I see that you said, "... Since the country had only one government at the time, there was no possibility of confusion." You may or may not be aware that many Filipinos and (AFAICS) the RP government at least in a semi-official manner, express a

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OK, I'll buy that. You're apparently better informed about that than I. I don't have a problem with the nomenclature change beyond some concern about its clarity to the non-specialist reader of an online encyclopedia directed at the non-specialist public. Looking at the article history, it seems as

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in 1946, but that's not the way I think of it. Those educated in the Philippines probably think of it differently. I'm American, and the schooling I had in the US pretty much skipped over all of that; I learned what I know of it by reading about it while I was living in the Philippines. Don't take

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In the current article, the early sections of this article covering the Spanish–American War and the Philippine–American War contain 31kb of prose, not including the quoted text which presumably adds a significant amount more. It's an important period, but putting that much focus on 4 years within

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for the edits. It is not easy deciding how to divide epochs of history and this is something that we definitely need to reach a consensus on. This one I think should be divided by the arrival of Dewey in the Philippines -- much like the pre-Spanish and Spanish periods are divided by the arrival of

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I agree that May 1 1898 makes a much clearer cut between the Spanish and American colonial period. Because of the May 1 battle, the battle for Philippine independence shifted from a Spain-Filipino conflict to an America-Filipino one and the Philippine Revolution entered a second stage that we now

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It made sense to me to reorganize the header-lovels of other sections, and I've done that. I've also converted the References section into separate Notes and References sections. I will probably take a break from this article for at least a few days unless something pops up on my watchlist which

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seems to have been used only in the context of U.S. Supreme Court cases, so it might be argued that this is an obscure use. I would argue for inclusion because 1) "Insular Government" was a common contemporary description and this is the most formal variation, and 2) This appears to be the closest

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If the idea is to distinguish the insular (territorial) government from other Philippine governments, this would be the way to do it. Since the country had only one government at the time, there was no possibility of confusion. So the need to use a long-form name arose only occasionally. The terms

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Incidentally, my own take on this without studying the history, is that the passage of the rescission act was probably related to the recognition of Philippine independence which took place in the same timeframe. At first blush, it seems to me that the rescission act was ill-conceived. However, I

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I've started a substantial rewrite of sections of this article. I started at the top and am proceeding downward in chronological order, working from related WP articles and sources cited therein. The tone what I have written thus far differs markedly from the tone of other related articles, but I

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The most straightforward interpretation of "Philippine Government" is just whatever government happened to exist during the time period the writer is referring to. You can find similar references for any historical period. You haven't provided a rationale for thinking that this phrase is a proper

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The labeling of Filipino troops as "insurgents" has an inherent pro-American stance, implying a legitimate American occupation and an illegal Filipino opposition. Can we just call Filipino troops as Filipino troops? In addition, most of the article is written from an American POV and is severely

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08:51, October 5, 2007 revision. The article has gone through major changes since then, and I'm not sure what neutrality dispute issues might remain. If there are neutrality issues remaining, let's please discuss those issues here. If not, I'll remove the tagging disputing the neutrality of the

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I'm not sure what weight that "Insular Government of ..." nomenclature has. In the court case you cite, it identifies the defendant. That nomenclature, I would guess, may have grown out of the nomenclature used by the private-party plaintiff to describe the party against whom he was lodging the

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on this article. That said, it's detailed text that shouldn't be lost. I see a couple of options, one would be creating a brand new article on the period, perhaps also pushing it back to include the earlier Philippine Revolution. This would be a simple solution, but would overlap with existing

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If there is an intended implication here that the US paid military benefits to allies other than the Philippines, it should be stated in a bit more detail and cite-supported. If there is no such intended implication, whatever this sentence does intend to imply should be stated more explicitly.

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All other articles in the history of the Phillipines series maintain the same name convention, of "History of the Phillipines (range of years)." Those articles, and this one, do have more general names in the series sidebar. This article is shown as "American period," as the period of Spanish

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My impression is that "Insular Government" tended to be used officially or formally and "government of the Philippines" or "Philippine government" tended to be used informally. I don't think that it would be a good idea to ruthlessly exclude either the nomenclatures using or those not using

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If you look at the hits for "Government of the Philippines", most do not refer to the Insular period. ("The government of the Philippines hosted the Manila Conference on September 8, 1954", etc). It seems that there is no way to specify a capital "G" in the search term. As for "Philippine

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sections at the same indent level. logically, going by the headings, the last two should be subtopics of the first one. I would have adjusted those two indent levels inward, but I think that it would be better to change the section heading of the first one to something like

2595:. I'm not tagging or re-reverting this, but Article VIII is in fairly dense legalese and, though it seems to me as if this interpretation is reasonable, it also seems to me as if this is unsupported interpretation of a primary source made in Knowledge's editorial voice ( 1642:

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2352:" renamed as "History of Korea" with your indication? Literally we go with respect to the real history, not like the typical American "benevolent" teaching of history. This article's name is like justifying that America did nothing wrong to the archipalegoes. 1990: 527:

uses the terminology "Government of the Philippine Islands", and speaks of an official titled "Chief of the Philippine Insular Bureau of Public Lands" and an organization named the "Division of Insular Affairs of the War Department". See

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also says, "Undue weight applies to more than just viewpoints. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject."

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Just "Philippine Islands," or "Philippine Islands Territory"? The reason I'm asking is that I want to create a category for those who were appointed as judges on its territorial courts, to go along with the other subcategories in

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I'm done with ongoing major rewrite work. There is still some work and a lot of polishing needed. Some of the detail in this article probably needs to be moved into more detailed subject-focused articles which it references with

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the 48-year scope of this article does not leave space for the rest of the time period. (31kb + quotes is more than enough for its own article.) Given this, the current text for these periods needs to be greatly compacted into

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Consensus is to maintain consistency with other articles and to recognize that the time period was not just American rule. Discussions can continue about reorganizing all articles related to the history of the Philippines.

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Re your second point, see the list of sources in the References section of the article -- the article does draw from a fair number of Filipino sources but, as you say, it could probably use more Filipino-sourced content.

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or with inline wikilinks. I've probably requoted too much material from the sources I've cited. I think I'm done with heavy rewriting heavy rewriting, though. I think and hope that I've improved the article. --

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The existence of this article in its current state reflects badly on Knowledge. Is anyone working on fixing the numerous problems in this article? It looks to me as if this would be better off recast as a

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at the time) were US nationals. However, the closing sentence reads, "Of the 66 countries allied with the United States during the war, only Filipinos were denied military benefits." This strikes me as a

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to the material as it was reorganized in the edits I've reverted need to be discussed too, but let's establish a consensus about the demarcation point between the two articles before getting into that.

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No page info for me either unfortunately, but I have access online to that section. Let me know if you want a longer quote, it also covers the 1904 church land issues already covered in this article.

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I expect that there may be disagreement about what I'm writing, and would like to invite and encourage interested editors to look at what I am doing and comment on it. What I have done so far is at

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This page is _wildly_ inaccurate in virtually every sentence. It desperately needs complete revision! (A concerned historian who doesn't have time to create a Knowledge logon identity to do it now.)

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If anyone is interested, I'm continuing work on this article by moving on to the Philippine-American war period. To avoid confusing the main article with in-progress drafts, I'm doing this at

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Courts have specific rules about cases are named. Think of all the insulting names plaintiffs would devise for defendants if they could! At the Philippine Supreme Court, the Carino case was

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as per Schowiecz's argument. This time period also includes the First Philippine Republic and the Filipino–American War where American rule was initially confined to Manila and environs.--

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for other cases that follow the same naming pattern. In other words, "Insular Government" was a standard legal name, presumably specified in the Philippine rules of civil procedure.

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control, which was similarly colonialist is shown as "Spanish period." This article clearly indicates that it covers the period of American control and colonialization in its lead.

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This has been discussed in various talk pages and touched on in some revisions of various articles as those articles developed. One place where it is currently mentioned is in the

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is "an armed rebellion against a constituted authority when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerents". To get some context re the use of the word

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on YouTube. I don't think that there's enough solidity here to support changes to this or other articles regarding this, but I thought that it merited talk page mention.

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This is the first time I have encountered such a situation, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. I'm inclined to move the mention of Aguinaldo's statement down into the

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if I didn't make a related article edit here. I have made some related edits to other articles -- you might want to look at those when they pop up on your watchlist.

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uses a similar year range convention, but as you helpfully pointed out, other nations' articles, especially in southeast Asia, use a naming convention like that at

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over the centuries, the last one beginning after Aguinaldo's return from Hong Kong in May of 1898, and an insurgency against U.S. rule developed following the

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My impression is that all of the major articles on Philippine history are overlong, there is way too much overlap between them, not enough attention paid to

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I'm not in principle opposed to some sort of move, but a single RM would put this article out of consistency with all the other Philippine History articles.

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by @JHBW was, "Under the Treaty of Paris, the United States agreed to respect existing property rights." I effectively reverted that part of the addition

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I think that "insurgents" is the proper term here. I do notice, however, that the term "insurgent" does not currently appear in the article below the

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So what should the category be named? Would "Philippine Islands territorial judges" be acceptably accurate and unambiguous? (note the lower case)

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article, but the Philippine Commonwealth government in exile probably should have a full section there and fuller coverage in a standalone article.

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Thanks. I saw the cite of the Franco book at the end of the para and wondered about that but couldn't verify it online. With this hint, I've found

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templates were deleted without explanation. I took a look at the sections from which these templates were deleted, and then at the whole article.

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articles significantly and thus would require work on those articles too. Another option would be to merge it to the existing articles, namely

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and in other sources, but not so much in this and other related WP articles) involving troops in Iloilo commanded by General Marcus Miller.

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be recast as a revolutionary government) on June 12 of that year. It seems to me that the events in the Philippines which grew out of the

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Question, "US occupation of Philippines"? The current article title with years "History of the Philippines (1898–1946)" is confusing.

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

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suspect that there is an unmentioned back-story here which, if there is, should be mentioned here and covered in some detail in the

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in the article, search the article for that word and read a bit of the content surrounding each appearance. There were a number of

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Does anyone have a copy of the coat of arms from this period, the maiden in front of the volcano? It would be a nice illustration.

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and considering it as a part of that website as a cited source. I think that the sourcing needs to be clarified in the article.

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worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/ (a dead link from a partial URL there, for illustration), and I'm having trouble relating it to

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Philippine Islands. Documents of the time will refer to "Report of the Governor-General of the Philippine Islands," etc.

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So you said "History of the Philippines" with that time period is fine? Oh well then, why don't we rename the article

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These edits would have made a significant change in the organization of material presented in this article and in the

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the article title as it is now retains the most clarity in line with the other articles in the series. For example,

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The Department of Mindanao and Sulu�� at the second Philippine Exposition : January 31 to February 14, 1914 (1914)

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Hi, guys! Don't know where to put this, but I want to know if we were ever offered American statehood by the US?

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Little brown brother: how the United States purchased and pacified the Philippine Islands at the century's turn

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about World War II Veteran Benefits for Filipinos would fit much better into this article than it fits into

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article giving a brief overview of material covered by articles such as those I've mentioned and providing

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after sovereignty passed from Spain to the U.S. in December of that year — eventually escalating into the

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José Roca de Togores y Saravia; Remigio Garcia; National Historical Institute (Philippines) (2003).

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that a bit by looking in Worcester's 1914 book. Let's look at some other items which assuredly

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5 Jan response to Otis's 4 Jan proclamation, citing the source I mentioned supporting that.

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What was the official name of the Philippines when it was a U.S. territory? The article on

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I recently added a mention of the 1907 flag law (apparently we have the stubbiest stub at

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per RioHondo. The period referred to in the title also includes the Japanese occupation.

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to the projected independent government, since it was without a proper name at that time.

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summarization here. In a quick look, I see no mention in that article or in this one of

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and the re-ignition of the revolution against the Spanish colonial government which the

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Just adding a note to myself or to whomever else might follow this up with info that

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had placed more or less on hold in 1897, fit better in this article than in the

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here, and there is not active dispute, I would say you are free to remove the

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However, I've just come across another source (this one previewable online),

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In court cases, it was the "Insular Government of the Philippine Islands".

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Hi Wtmitchell, that text was originally added by me, and was drawn from

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lacking in accounts from both Spanish and Filipino participants.

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thing to a long-form name that the territorial government had.

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section outward, as that subtopic does not belong in the

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