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quite long, and you could consider promoting its 4 sub sections to a heading of their own. Especially because the Hukou system in Taiwan does not have nearly the same level of completeness as mainland china. I also think more links and pictures would help to make the article more interactive with the reader. Overall, great work! Thank you for your contributions to wikipedia!
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6ibberish's contributions are a great addition to this article. I think that the article does a very good job of presenting various viewpoints and remaining neutral. The lead is informative and reflective of the remaining article. I think the "Household
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Based on the last sentence, it sounds like Taiwan is using the
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Much of the content of that article was in fact about Hukou, not about the allegations. In fact, probably well more than 50% of that article was actually about Hukou. How much, if any, can be usefully integrated here is an interesting question. The right answer may be very little, but I don't
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Irrespective of whether the word "apartheid" may validly appear in another article or not, parts of the deleted article are of great relevance here. I am working on integrating these in my userspace, and will post when I have it in a presentable state. I have a sneaking suspicion that if the
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