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Sorry, missed that in the original comment. That's intentional. In the recording section I mention that "the stereo out two seconds earlier than the mono". The length of the mono is 2:32 and the stereo 2:30. The mono version is the one the vast majority of people were listening to in 1965, so I
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on reflection thinking that it probably does not qualify as fair use. I think the only way an image would qualify as fair use would be if it depicted John doing his elbow glissandos, but I haven't been able to find a good spot to screenshot that. Instead, I've moved John's quotation into a
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Agreed. I've rewritten the opening sentences slightly different than your suggestions; I think it's best to mention it being written by McCartney and credited to Lennon–McCartney in almost the same breath rather than in separate sentences. Let me know if you think they still need
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Looks good (I don't have access to Everett, Lewisohn, Winn, et al., so I'm AGF). Consider: each of the Beatles and the instruments they played are identified in "Recording". The later "Personnel" section just repeats the info and isn't really needed (also possible
293:"I'm Down" is a song by the English rock band the Beatles, written and sung primarily by Paul McCartney . It was released on a non-album single as the B-side to "Help!" in July 1965 and, as with all of their songs, is credited to Lennon–McCartney. 408:– Pollack's "it's tempting to assume that they threw this song together in less than a single afternoon" seems too speculative and really doesn't add to Everett's observation (I don't have access to Everett's book). 165:
I'll be reviewing this. On further reading, it appears rather straightforward, with only a couple of conflicting sources, so it should be OK. I usually work on a little at a time, so there is no time pressure.
435:– Some don't like the forms for notation being used in continuous prose, because they screw up the line spacing on some viewers. Many sources use "4/4" (as does Pollack), although I've seen both. Up to you. 371:
It's hard to get too specific, but I've included some more helpful info, namely that he moved into the house in November 1963 and that by October 1964 he was still trying to write a "Long Tall Sally"-type
382:– I known what he's trying to say, but it may be confusing to some. Perhaps clarify that lacking a strong melodic component, the writer needs to build up other aspects to make it appealing. 461:– Since you've mentioned it, it may be helpful to explain the significance (Pollack's "it's an effect which retains the power to startle", since it's uncertain from the vocal itself). 552:
Great! Is there an image of them performing around the time? Or maybe use a quote box for a comment like Ringo's. It would help break up the text in the last sections.
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I'd prefer to keep the personnel section as I think it helps clearly delineate who plays what without the reader needing to piece it together by reading the body.
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problems. Param already uses class=hlist, so it can be formatted as a normal bulleted list for display as a horizontal list separated by middots (see
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MetroLyrics has been down for a while and might not come back. I've seen thebeatles.com website used for lyrics in other articles. Up to you.
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My access to Sheffield is limited, so I'm assuming that all of the Beasties info is covered by the single citation.
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in the body and mentioned its initial rarity and subsequent inclusion on several compilations in the lead.
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usually default to using its length if the difference is not too great, otherwise I would include both ("
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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
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Yes is no longer mentioned, so the category should be removed (& add the Beastie Boys?).
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The Capitol single lists the length as "2:30" (Parlophone didn't list lengths). FYI only –
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It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
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I've used an October 1964 quotation instead because he uses clearer language.
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Yes, it's all from Sheffield. I've specified page numbers a little more.
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It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
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I'll look at the refs and lead tomorrow and that should do it. —
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does mention that a personnel section ought to be included.
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