697:"I am persuaded that God said His name was YHWH only because He was speaking to Hebrew people. If God would have revealed Himself to English speaking people He would not have said His name was 'YHWH,' but rather 'I am,' because the Hebrew 'YHWH' and the English 'I am' are the same verb. The difference is not in the meaning, but in the language through which the meaning ('I am') is conveyed. The name YHWH does not 'tag' God for identity purposes (for God does not need a name), but rather describes to us who God is."
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There's no there, there. Sam's "evidence" is uncompelling. The stats are that almost the only people landing on this redirect are EB, SS, and myself. This article redirect, is little used, adds nothing to wikipedia, and become a constant source of contention for Sam, it should be deleted. I'll adding
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Then please make one. Telling me that you think a quote from Popeye is more famous than a self identifying quote from God to Moses is utterly unconvincing reasoning. Your suggestion of a disambig page is a good one, but also one you seem to disapprove of. Copula's are not synonymous w the concept of
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reasons to provide a link to God from "I am" (and Google isn't gospel), then the page could be turned into a disambiguation page. I'm personally not convinced that there are good reasons to create a disambig page here. So the Bible says that God said "I am that I am." So what? By that logic, we
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English. It is the shortest with an explicit subject, but the imperative "Go," is shorter, having an implied subject, which is gramatically correct for English imperatives.
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Redirecting "I am" to God does not make intuitive sense. As I mentioned on your talk page, "I am" is in fact a copula; it is not synonymous with God. As a reader, if I searched for a copula and ended up at God I'd be very confused and hardly "well served."
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The philological scholarship may point in a different direction as to the precise meaning of YHWH, but that doesn't stop many people from having another interpretation, as you can see above. I think the fact that a
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On the other hand, "I am" is by definition what is called a copula, that is, the connecting link between subject and predicate of a proposition. "To be" is another copula; it would make little sense to redirect
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The Anal sex article dispute is another example of your behaviour, yes, but it has nothing to do with the gay bathhouse dispute and has nothing to do with this. Deal with the issues at hand or keep quiet.
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Look, I don't give a rat's ass one way or the other about the theological arguments, on both sides. It's all meaningless, as far as I'm concerned. However, it does seem to be a
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There's a lot of petty arguing going on here. Why not agree to disagree and turn it into a disambiguation page, pointing to several pages, most notably God and Copula?
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Curps, I absolutely fail to understand why you are so intent on removing this reference to YHWH. (I see you completely deleted the entry "The
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