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security breach, etc."? I think it's better to focus on the technical subject rather than on the ideological subject, which has already its good deal of problems, hatred, etc. Let's not add more fuel to the already perfectly burning fire, because otherwise this addition is going to be used as an editing war by both sides, which will lead to vandalism, etc. Let's focus on the technical issue at hand, I think.
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self-promotion spam. Your user page, etc, suggest more of the same. Even your response here attempts to insert links back to cryptocurrency topics. Re: Filecoin, how fortunate is it that we can have more than one article on this online encyclopedia? The separate
Filecoin page can and should to have a cryptocurrency label and perhaps link to the
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Protocol Labs is developing 5 interrelated projects - as are reflected on their websites and in this uncensored article: https://infogalactic.com/info/InterPlanetary_File_System. If you really understood IPFS, one of the five, then you would realize that another of those 5, ], is very connected - and
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I looked through the recent edits in the article and I get the impression that David Gerard has an axe to grind with IPFS. His edits have only added negative material, but
Knowledge editors should make some attempt to keep their edits in balance. Now pretty much half the article is criticism. I'm not
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to a single perspective that is not representative of a majority or large minority opinion (as demonstrated in a basic google search where many individuals describe using it successfully for websites). In addition, the content itself has a biased tone and implies that one individual's experience is a
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How about redacting this addition in a more neutral point of view? Something along the lines "IPFS was used before the
October 1st Catalonian independence referendum, after the webpage for consulting census data was closed by the Spanish Government, in order to replicate the database, which lead to a
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You've asserted that it's clear, but haven't shown that to be true. I don't follow the sentence about a category tag not being an ontological statement about a page. That's like, exactly the opposite of true. "Ontology, n. A systematic arrangement of all of the important categories of objects or
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David, pointing out your potential COI isn't a personal attack. It is relevant for the same reason WP has policies about COI editing. Not sure what I'm being asked to desist doing. It only needed pointing out the once. If it becomes obvious that it is an issue, I will take your recommendation to
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I added a subsection titled "Protocol Labs" under "History". The sources I found seemed somewhat unreliable (the official organization website, some strange third party investment/promotional websites), so I added better source needed tags; if anyone could find better sources on
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I can see the problems with editing on the article and support the idea of having a general blanket limitation policy in place, it just shouldn't use a "cryptocurrency" label. I don't know how to refute a statement like "there's no way on earth it's not related." It seems you've just given up on
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You may call me a spammer, a Nazi, an SJW, or any other bad name you can think of - but it doesn't make it true. I attempted to improve this article and was denied on several fronts to allow the other VERY interconnected ] projects on
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This is nonsensical. IPFS is not only the standard file system for a ton of crypto projects, its development is largely funded by an ICO. And - most tellingly - its editing has all the problems of the crypto articles. There's no way on earth it's not related, no way it shouldn't be categorised as
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IPFS page. It sometimes makes sense to discuss the underlying technologies something is built upon. But references in the other direction are less obviously relevant or interesting, and clearly unhelpful here. I think IPFS stands on its own quite well, which by definition means that it is NOT
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I think the categorization is a mistake and the correct thing to do here is to remove the category tag. As far as I am aware, nothing about IPFS is implemented on or using a blockchain. It's just a P2P content-addressed data store. (If you want to call any distributed
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As far as I can tell, bitcoin and other altcoin spammers just went around trying to spoof their coins on as many articles as possible and some editor(s) made the mistake of converting that into a category annotation before the spam was removed. Here's a timeline of
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Ext4 is likely the standard filesystem for a ton of (I think you meant) cryptocurrency/ies. ("Crypto" is ambiguous and IMO, chiefly means cryptography.) Are you going to slap a cryptocurrency category label on it? How about Git? It's more or less a distributed
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Firefox 59, FireFox recognizes IPFS, DAT, and other p2p protocols as valid protocols. That is, it can handle ipfs://, dat:// just like it can handle ftp://, file://, :mailto, etc. Read the blog post here:
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