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this paragraph was really unpleasant for me to say the least. First of all (and I mean absolutely no disrespect for artists but different professions require different sets of skills, a dental technician is not a dentist), no "visual effects artist" can come up with a physically-based rendering software, let alone a production quality software being used on a big budget
Hollywood movie, the only explanation could be an artist who is also a remarkable engineer/computer scientist/mathematician, I am yet to see such a polymath but it's not certainly impossible, just improbable. Next thing is the sentence regarding "creating two papers"; we write papers, get them published in journals and conferences, but what does "creating" a paper mean? and what does "computer graphics community" refer to? It's such a weird thing to say! "Contributions to computer graphics field" is much more accurate, I cannot recall hearing anything about the "computer graphics community", ever. The worst thing is these are not mentioned in the source AT ALL. The Wired article does NOT mention "artists" creating rendering software, and it does not mention anything about "creating two papers", whatever that means! The source mentions "It's the product of a year of work by 30 people and thousands of computers", where does the "team of 30 artists" come from? The source also mentions "Thorne says he can get at least two published articles out of it", Thorne is saying he CAN publish two articles, he also doesn't specifically talk about where he hope to publish them when (and if) he writes them. So to make this short: no "artists" are mentioned in the source, and no "papers" are "created", let alone the claim regarding "one for the astrophysics community and one for the computer graphics community". Can we fix these please? At least fix the source, as much as I cannot get myself to ever agree with some of the claims made in the paragraph, at least having a source that actually mentions the false information (false in my opinion) can give the paragraph a reason to exist, otherwise it is just fiction. Congratulations to the author.
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our Sun). So the black hole has a companion star that delivers sunlight. In order for the water to remain on the planet (instead of boiling away - and for the planet to be able to sustain life), the planet has to have a stable orbit around the companion star (not to mention the black hole). But with a black hole near by, that is basically impossible, it is called the three-body problem. Secondly, while the crew visits that planet for just a few hours, the crew remember remaining on the mother ship experiences time dilation (presumably due to the difference in the gravitational field at the mother ship and on the planet), so that no less than 23 years passes for him during their separation. However, in order to experience a time dilation of that magnitude, you have to have an enormous difference in the gravitational field. And that dinky little landing craft will have to overcome the consequently enormous gravity while traveling to and especially returning from the planet, while keeping the g-forces on the crew at survivable levels. Not physical. With my background I consider this self-evident, while other might call it OR. Anyway, that was just that one planet visit out of a 3 hour movie. (Not that that keeps me from recommending the movie, I think it is trying to make the point that we should protect our own, preciously rare planet and not send humanity down a worm-hole. Apologies for the digression).
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it's
Knowledge (XXG)-page. The section reads like a endless, rather pointless and messy, debate. Sure, scientists have positive and negative opinions about the film, and it could be discussed forever, but there is also love in the film (father-and-daughter). Is there also going to be a section full of psychologists commenting and arguing about that very keystone element of the picture? See what I'm saying? The science demands a section, of course, but does it not instead serve the wiki-page better by presenting the theoretical science of the film as part of the production? Or maybe changing the science section from "Scientific accuracy" to, maybe, "Scientific Support" or something like that would do more justice? The film is already labeled as a "science fiction". Do the article necessarily demand more than a more simply put description of the films scientific ambitions and inspirations (production wise), with a general film reception/ critical respond? Is Interstellar a scientific paper or a motion picture? Anyone with me? ...No?
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solar system, Kip Thorne writes about it in "The
Science of Interstellar" and articles, stating that "In relativity, there is no such thing as the same time. When two places in the universe are separated by a great distance, relativity says you need to give up on your ideas of simultaneityâthat something is happening at the same time as over there. If you have a wormhole connecting these two places, there is no way to answer the question, do you come out at that same time? It depends on how youâre slicing the universe. What Kip Thorne helped invent is the idea that if you could manipulate wormholes in a sufficiently dramatic fashion, you could actually travel backward in time." The black hole is ten billion light years away, which is an enormous distance.
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technology and Donald's "every day felt like
Christmas" comment, what killed Cooper's wife, everything about Murphy's brother Tom and his family and running of the farm, the business with her school teacher, Moon landing hoax taught as standard dogma, and her relationship with Getty), a bit of duplication (the second hand on Murphy's watch), and geeky scifi details which aren't well explained (TARS speculates the tesseract-creators "evolved into five-dimensional beings", and Cooper's handshake with Amelia during his two-way passage through the wormhole). Also sacrificed a nice foreshadowing detail (Cooper and Amelia's discussion about nature being dangerous and scary, but not evil; we just have to worry about "what we bring with us.")
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most of the movie takes place. When questioned about the radiation issue, Tyson dances around it by pretending that the
Gargantua black hole in the film would have no gasses or anything else ever falling into it, so there would be no radiation fueled by anything falling into it. Problem is, Kip Thorne's book that he keeps quoting from as to explain the science behind the film explicitly states that in fact there *IS* a lot of gasses (and maybe even other stuff) falling into the Gargantua black hole all the time, creating a relatively cool accretion disk with temperatures and brightness resembling that of our sun, so that Gargantua in that solar system pretty much takes the place of our sun.
1009:, please sign your comments with four tildas (~~~~) so we can keep track of who's saying what. As we said before, "O'Neill cylinder" isn't really helpful here, the term is science fiction jargon that's likely to be confusing to many readers. It doesn't appear in the film or in many reliable sources on the film, and it's not significant to the plot. In other words, it doesn't matter to the plot that the space station is cylindrical, let alone that it's (ostensibly) the particular kind of cylindrical space station called an "O'Neill cylinder" in some works. Again, this could be an interesting fact for a section on design ("according to , the film's space stations are based on the
433:'s lede is largely about the film's context within the James Bond franchise, with the third paragraph discussing the public's response. None of these link to the directorial debut of a cinematographer who wasn't involved with the film being discussed. None of these mentions more than a single premiere date, let alone describes the number of theaters showing each format in excruciating detail. Here's a rule of thumb: imagine that a panel of film experts is discussing this film in 10 years. The lede should contain only the information that it's reasonable might be brought up in that discussion.
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theory of relative velocity time dilation, time would have passed slower from Cooper's view and hundreds of years would have passed before Cooper finally enters the singularity, thus not having enough time to save humanity. In addition, matter being pulled in at such speed causes enormous friction, generating incalculable heat as well as light (that can be 100 times brighter than the Milky Way in the case of a quasar). Cooper would have been vapourized by the heat instantly before reaching the center of the black hole."
2143:, and that's a pretty *BIG* but here, as soon as we have enough matter falling into Gargantua as to create such an accretion disk, we have tons of gamma radiation shooting from the black hole, which is entirely incompatible with everything we see in the movie as soon as they've exited the wormhole. Plus, there's a neutron star said to be in the same system, which would just as well emit lots of deadly radiation blasting all matter into sub-atomic particles and thus void the entire plot on that side of the wormhole.
1988:(Murphy's multi-time dimensional bookshelf), and I removed it each time. The plot summary has already been criticized as too long, and this detail is too obscure and unnecessary for an essential understanding of the plot. I don't think TARS actually knew the creators were "evolved future humans", and what the hell is "five-dimensional" supposed to mean, anyway? (This was never explained in the film.) Three spatial dimensions, plus time, equals four dimensions, and that's plenty to explain the tesseract.
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produced the film and where it was filmed. There is additional detail behind each particular point, which readers would have to read the article body to see. The third paragraph is reception-focused. It should cover how the film was released and how it has done in the box office and with critics. I don't think that the current lead section is updated enough, but your writeup unnecessarily simplifies what is in the article in contravention of best practices.
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887:"O'Neill cylinder" is not used in the film, and it's not a well known term that clarifies anything for the reader. If anything, it adds unnecessary confusion as readers try to figure out what an "O'Neill cylinder" is when "space station" gets all the necessary information across. Again, add "O'Neill Cylinder" to the design or themes section if there are sources for the connection, but it's not helpful in the plot summary.--
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orbit in a linked update, but still not realizing that even given that, tidal forces wouldn't work out the way we see in the film). (Also, in an amateur review on Amazon, I've read the conjecture that for a planet to have a stable orbit at that close vicinity to the black hole, it would have to move at at least half the speed of light, which would be impossible with the conditions we see on the planet in the film.)
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star is
Proxima Centauri at 4.2 lightyears of distance, which is part of the Alpha Centauri system (see List of nearest stars and brown dwarfs)."). Yes Alpha Centauri is only 4.2 years away, at light speed, but at more practical speeds (from the current propulsion knowledge point of view) it is indeed thousands of years away. So the movie in that respect is not inaccurate. This should be corrected.
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fully understand the impact of the work and the context of the commentary about it. Necessary detail must be maintained. ... Anything that is not necessary for a reader's understanding of , or is not widely recognized as an integral or iconic part of the work's notability, should not be included." Another goal is to make sure the plot doesn't drown out the other real-world aspects of the film.
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850:"s. This jargon doesn't appear in the film or, evidently, in any substantial number of reliable sources about it. The term isn't well known enough that the connection is obvious, or that it benefits the reader more than simply "space station". It needs to be left out of the plot section, though perhaps a line can be included in a section on design or themes if it can be reliably sourced.--
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The second ring of light is actually the same accretion disc. Specifically, it is the part of the disc on the other side of the black hole. We can see it due to gravitational lensing; while passing through the black hole light will fall into the singularity due to gravity and never escape, light just outside the event horizon is just curved and thus would reach the same observer.
1896:, come as early as the IP wants it to come. It is bad form, in my opinion, to have a negative review randomly thrown into a paragraph that is mostly positive reviews. To me, that text/source fits best in the paragraph that is making similar arguments...right after the "an absurd endeavor" and "one of the most sublime movies of the decade" review. This is why after the IP
1958:." I just saw the film for a second time, and don't remember any dates at all being mentioned in the film. The 23-year gap at Miller's planet is mentioned (during which Murphy grows up to be the same age as Cooper was when he left), and the 51-year gap at Edmund's planet, plus the two years travel time from Earth to Saturn, equals the 76-year gap from 2080 to 2156.
2313:. I've done some trimming of that section, which was largely OR; while I'd like to see the quotes discussed, without a reference to their significance, they don't belong there. It would be more appropriate, till such references are found, that the individual instances of the quotes are mentioned in the plot summary; if that makes it too long, leave them out.
2675:! Thanks for your help with the article so far. I was not crazy about having the "Scientific accuracy" section this early because I didn't want to put forth only the filmmakers' claim about the film being scientifically accurate. Such a section should usually have independent commentary (with the filmmakers' claim as only part of it), per the guidelines at
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278:"Cooper realizes that the extra-dimensional presence sensed by Amelia while traversing through the wormhole at the first time was his own hand, as a signal to him that he needs to locate and help her as she is the only surviving member from Endurance crew other than himself and the temporal loop will be completed when he brings her back."
963:"Space station is vague and not accurate terminology (reference below) being used to describe what is indeed an O'Neill cylinder adding it back in with a hyper link to the page will not being confusing. If anything it will allow someone to learn something. Also it is referenced in the novelization as well as here.
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is a foregone conclusion that most people will die -- and that this would happen whether Cooper stayed on Earth or not, since he had no particular ability to change the course of events. I'm wondering why this population vs engineering puzzle did not come up in discussions of scientific feasibility.
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Has anyone seen discussion regarding the feasibility of evacuating millions of people from Earth, regardless of the gravity well? Cooper consistently claims not only that returning to Earth will allow him to save his family (which would probably be true, given his central role in the program) but to
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The "rings of light" are actually the black hole's accretion disc, which is made up of matter orbiting around the black hole. The matter emits light because of the gravity and friction which compress and heat the material. Since the disc is outside the event horizon, light can escape to observers.
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We have criticism from David
Grinspoon, followed by some kind of counterargument proving either him ignorant or, if not that, its own argument wrong. We have a one-word comment by Lawrence Krauss, "miserable", that carry little to no particular significance to the film Interstellar nor the demands of
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In the main plot section of this article, all male characters are referred to by their last name and only the young Dr Brand is referred to as Amelia. In the movie, she is always referred to as Dr Brand or just "Brand". I watched this film last night and didn't know her name was Amelia until reading
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There is apparently no mention of him developing the original with Obst before Nolan was invited to write a screenplay from it, nor of
Spielberg's involvement - in fact there is nothing here that I can find in the article itself that says why Spielberg is not mentioned again, why he did not make the
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I'm sorry, but the Slate culture blog doesn't do anything but notice the quotations are there and that it's been in other films. It's not significant enough, on its own, to warrant a mention in a Themes section. What is the theme, specifically? You'd need a reference explicitly saying what it is;
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But there's a much more serious scientific plothole which Tyson just dances around in that interview, and that's radiation. All black holes we know have strong gamma radiation coming from them, which would make it impossible for any matter to even just exist at the (cosmically) short distances where
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Plus, Tyson admits in the same interview that a tidal wave as large as seen in the film to co-exist with the fact that the characters actually survive their stay on the planet is impossible: Either we have a tiny non-rotating stellar black hole that would have tidal forces as strong as creating such
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to clarify the plot. This should allow for complexity of the film's themes (with relativistic space travel, certainly a factor here), and also the film's running time (at 169 minutes, exceptionally long). "The description should be thorough enough for the reader to get a sense of what happens and to
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It would be nice to split this up into two sections or three in the same style of 2001: A Space
Odyssey. This film has had polarizing responses from audiences and critics alike. If it helps just look up Interstellar reviews and you will see exactly what I mean by polarizing. Putting it in 3 sections
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How do you know it's a mistake if you haven't seen the finished film? Maybe the story is about intergalactic travel. If so, then the title would at worst only be misleading; and even then only if one happens to subscribe to a too-narrow convention as to the meaning of the word "interstellar". If the
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Isaac Asimov pointed out years ago that one sign of a poorly-researched scifi story is that the writer says "galaxy" when he/she means "solar system", which means something quite different. "Star Trek" used the terms properly; many other movies and TV series mess them up. So when the summary says
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This is incorrect, Cooper does NOT say that the nearest star is more than "a thousand light years away," he says "more than a thousand years away." As in, with current technology it would take them 1000 years to reach
Proxima Centauri, not that light takes that long. Could someone with access remove
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My suggested edit: Brand admits that he already solved the problem and determined the project is impossible. He kept this knowledge secret knowing Earth's population would abandon the project if they had no hope for survival, and instead put his faith in Plan B. Later Murphy realizes his solution is
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The O'Neill cylinder (also called an O'Neill colony) is a space settlement design proposed by American physicist Gerard K. O'Neill in his 1976 book The High Frontier: Human Colonies in Space. O'Neill proposed the colonization of space for the 21st century, using materials extracted from the Moon and
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Cooper never reached the center of the black hole, he entered the tesseract shortly after passing the event horizon. How long it would have taken is irrelevant considering he is able to send information anywhere in time, including Murphy as a child. Regarding the point in time when he returns to the
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while simultaneously convincing the bulk of the population that even the moon landing had been unattainable. To envision sufficient numbers of such habitats as to actually allow the entire population of the planet to emigrate defies any rational sense. Regardless of the outcome of the mission, it
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note on the fact that the main actor at the beginning said that the closest star is thousands of years away, not thousands of LIGHT years away (as the main article on here says - quote "Cooper, in the movie, says that the "nearest star is more than a thousand light years away". In fact, the closest
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Another point on black holes, they're called black holes because their gravitational pull is so strong even light can't escape. In the film the black hole had two rings of light around it, where theoretically from any given perspective you should only be able to see, at best, a single ring of light
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Until that happens, perhaps a different name of the section could avoid some confusion of the readers. I foresee a significant addition of scientific inaccuracies for this film. The first planet visited orbits a black hole. It also has both liquid water and sunlight (conspicuously like that from of
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Also, time difference between the surface of Miller's planet and in its orbit could never be as huge, unless Miller's planet would have the density of at least a neutron star itself, again crushing Cooper's crew. If time dilation would be exclusively due to Gargantua, time would nearly be identical
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I have taken pains to go through the summary and shave off as much as seems possible, and I get 884 from my word counter. I think I've omitted details largely unnecessary to understanding the major plot progression (including Cooper finding the drone, his plane crash nightmare, what has happened to
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don't seem to make much sense. I don't think "reciting Newton's laws of motion" really explains what's going on to the reader. Specifically what they're trying to do is drop the ship's mass to propel it along, which is, yes, in accordance with Newton's laws of motion. The second line about his love
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I remember Brand apologized tearfully to Murphy on his deathbed saying the project is impossible without elaborating further. Then in a later scene, Murphy talked to a co-worker saying that she checked Brand's work and Brand may be just half correct because his theory is incomplete without the data
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A space station, also known as an orbital station or an orbital space station, is a spacecraft capable of supporting a crew, which is designed to remain in space (most commonly in low Earth orbit) for an extended period of time and for other spacecraft to dock. A space station is distinguished from
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I took a stab at it before seeing this discussion on talk. A lot of the material in the lead really isn't necessary. Since there was some interesting production history, the basics need to be covered, but I don't know we need every person and company involved with the production listed. And I agree
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I would like to ask if I can make changes to the paragraph starting with "In creating the wormhole and a supermassive rotating black hole...". I'm a computer science PhD student working on physically-based rendering algorithms since 2012, reading the parts regarding rendering and visual effects in
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An O'Neill cylinder would consist of two counter-rotating cylinders. The cylinders would rotate in opposite directions in order to cancel out any gyroscopic effects that would otherwise make it difficult to keep them aimed toward the Sun. Each would be 5 miles (8.0 km) in diameter and 20 miles (32
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The current lede reads like someone pulled random information out of the article because they wanted the article to look like an FA and FA ledes tend to have three paragraphs. It's incoherent and jumbled. As I said, I'm not going to go back and forth on it, I won't try to fix the lede again, and I
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So, it'd be great if anybody could find a reliable source pointing out this "tiny" radiation problem to do both with Gargantua and the neutron star which makes the entire plot on that side of the wormhole impossible. In any case, there are a number of reviews in scientific journals which, without
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That radiation problem is part of a lot of amateur reviews and in forums on the internet (a lot of people saying they've lost all respect for Tyson because of how he's been promoting the film and its alleged "scientific accuracy"), which unfortunately can't be used as sources for Knowledge (XXG),
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Tyson just goes on to brush both issues off as "cinematic license". While I like the film for the experience due to its cinematic merits making for a decent sci-fi action/thriller blockbuster with enormously accurate visual portrayals of black holes and their relativistic effects, as well as some
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by a professional scientist mentioning the issue (though getting it a bit wrong, by not realizing that both conditions, stable orbit *AND* characters surviving their visit, are impossible to be true at the same time, so that he rectifies only part of his mistake with better math ensuring a stable
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If Brand thinks he is missing some data, why did he say the problem is solved and come to the conclusion that the project is impossible? he should leave the conclusion open. The truth is, Brand thinks his solution is complete and not missing any data. It is actually Murphy who realized he is only
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Some added the following: "However, there were some aspects of the ending whereby the laws of physics were ignored. For instance, due to the strong gravitational pull of Gargantua, Cooper would have been traveling at the speed of light around the accretion disc of the black hole. According to the
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I'm not clear about which test you are objecting too - I don't see anything "blatant" at present, so suspect it may already have been removed, as the article has had 15 edits in the last 24 hours. If you still think there is "blatant advertising" please identify the text you are objecting to. -
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The reference to an O'Neill cylinder doesn't make the article more difficult to read. It clearly is an O'Neill cylinder, so adding the word is actually clarifying for those not familiar with it. Hyperlinking where it can be justified is one of the purposes of Knowledge (XXG), so is informing the
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The plot summary states that the dust on the floor is "in a pattern that resembles morse code". This is incorrect. Cooper himself tells Murph that the dust pattern is binary, not morse. Morse was used in the bookshelves to write out 'STAY'. Binary was used to communicate the coordinates of NASA.
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Mann wanted to go on to the next planet (Edmunds). Think about it: Why would Mann want to kill Cooper and steal the ship to go back to Earth, when Cooper specifically said he wasn't going on to the next planet but was instead going back to Earth to be with his family? Put another way, it was
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Has anyone found a source saying why/when Nolan decided to re-cast Murph as a girl? I found that relationship to be the highlight of the movie in many ways, and a lot of the themes and plot revolved around it. I expect that it might have been less poignant if Murph remained a boy, and Cooper's
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Wilson did not mention "Interstellar" in his Charlie Rose interview, but the film has many resonant threads. Did "They" (the Nolan brothers) use Wilson for one reason or another, or was the resonance of âInterstellarâ to Wilson merely an acausal coincidence? Could it be a general relativity
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Your examples have more detailed lead sections than your writeup. The section is supposed to summarize the most important points, which means to combine the key details from the different sections. For example, the second paragraph is production-focused and identifies the key details like who
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The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any
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I made the decision to add in the beginning section and paragraph that it was part of the top films of 2014 as it was and has been included in many critics top films of 2014. It would also be wise to replace "generally" positive reviews to polarizing. The film has seen reviews ranging from
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that the first planet is impossible to exist as depicted in the movie: For it to have a 60.000:1 time dilation as stated in the film, it would be much too close to the black hole as to have a stable orbit *AND* for people to even just simply exist on its surface at the same time. Here's a
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The information in the second and third paragraphs of the current lede do not serve any of the purposes outlined in that last sentence. The second paragraph spends 49 words talking about the production companies involved; it talks about the directorial debut of someone who isn't even
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To update my thoughts on this discussion, I think that the new content in this section should be moved to "Visual effects" (as well as the Thorne quote where appropriate). If there is independent commentary about the film's scientific accuracy, we can recreate the section.
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a huge wave, but then the characters wouldn't survive their stay due to the strong forces (and possibly radiation) from the black hole, or we have a giant rotating supermassive black hole like Gargantua that could never produce as huge tidal forces as seen in the film. The
413:; it lists the filming locations, which don't tell you anything of note about the film itself. The third paragraph is even worse, going on (and on and on) about specific release dates in various countries and the difference between the limited and wide releases.
2679:. If we merged it into "Production" now, we don't even need a separate section, just to put Thorne's quote in the most appropriate place. Want to do that? A real "Scientific accuracy" section can then happen when people actually see the film and write about it.
1725:...or something to that effect. This clarifies the plot point that the descendants of the people whom Murph saved are the same ones who created the wormhole and the tesseract, and that they would ultimately settle on Edmunds' planet. Any opposition to this? --
1244:"Cooper, in the movie, says that the "nearest star is more than a thousand light years away". In fact, the closest star is Proxima Centauri at 4.2 lightyears of distance, which is part of the Alpha Centauri system (see List of nearest stars and brown dwarfs)."
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That pretty much syncs with my recollection. Also keep in mind that not everything makes rational sense in a movie; there are often plot holes or ambiguities (and this film has no shortage of them). Still, we probably wouldn't lose anything by removing Mann's
2282:. :) You're right: the themes section is a much better place for this information. And I appreciate how you reworded the sentence, expanded it, and cited the reference that I'd provided here. It's much stronger now. I've learned a lot from your improvements.
2941:. Perhaps someone else can back this up, but I'm pretty sure Mann was going to the other planet, not to Earth. But it's not terribly relevant to the plot; all that matters is the plot twist that he lied about his planet and then tries to steal the ship.--
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Is there really any indication that the "hand-shake" was supposed to be a reminder, or that there a temporal loop left "uncompleted" that would be "resolved" by bringing her back? This is interpretation and I can't find a similar approach anywhere else.
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On the article, it currently states the time difference of Millers Planet is 1 hour = 7 years, when in the film when I saw it at the cinema, it states it was 45 minutes = 7 years. I would change it but first want to here other peoples opinion.
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Remove the comment that Mann was "long believed to be dead". Since he was transmitting messages, all the other characters correctly believed he was *alive* - this is an important plot point which influences a key decision in the movie.
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creating the "tesseract" doesn't mesh with my understanding of the plot, or explain why it's significant. My memory was that the alien being built the tesseract, and obviously the purpose is so that Cooper can communicate with Murphy.--
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I've poked around, and all I can find is a bunch of fan synthesis based on doing math with data from sources that may or may not be authoritative. I'm fine with removing the specific year if no reliable source can be found.
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save millions of other families. However, creating sustainable habitats for interplanetary travel on both sides of the wormhole represents a feat of engineering even more incredible than the notion that humanity built the
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says "another galaxy" though I have not seen any prior detail stating this. The trip is definitely beyond the solar system, but it's possible that it could be elsewhere in the Milky Way or another galaxy entirely. The term
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mentions the film's troubled production process, the key decisions that Spielberg made that set it apart from other thrillers, the film's unusually large promotional push at release, and the film's significant legacy.
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I'm not going to waste a lot of time arguing back and forth about this, but the article's current lede, which I tried to revise, is silly. The edit summary left by the editor who reverted me was: "Revert violation of
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probably won't read any replies to this post. I just thought I would make an effort to let the people who undoubtedly care deeply about the article know that the most important part of it is bad and should be fixed.
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but there are no sources in the whole section. It can all be one editors opinion. The film doesn't even explain what his goal really was, was it to go to the other planet or return to earth? Where are the sources "
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masterpiece of the century to the biggest disappoint to the year. Simply stating generally positive forgets the highly positive reviews to the negative in which the word polarizing would be more justly applied.
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in orbit of Saturn and reunites with the now elderly Murphy, who has led humanity's exodus. On her deathbed, Murphy convinces Cooper to search for Amelia, who has begun work on "Plan B" alone on Edmunds' planet.
2075:. Now, if I were summarizing the latter (much more down-to-Earth and shorter), I wouldn't expect to be stymied by a 700-word limit. (It's funny; that happens to be a poor example, because the page currently has
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The article seems to have a link directed to watch the movie online, possibly pirated. It can be found after the first 3 paragraphs of the article: "The Movie can be watched at <inappropriate link removed:
429:'s second lede paragraph provides a coherent and concise summary of the film's development, production, and release, while its third paragraph discusses the film's themes and the public response to the film.
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It isn't important to the plot that houses are hanging from the roof. We don't mention that, and we don't need to mention what kind of space station the space station is either. Not in the plot summary.
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I notice that at one point Cooper uses "solar system" and "galaxy" in the same sentence, so it's obvious the writers know that they are two different things, and talking about galaxies isn't a blooper.
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