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came from the 1920s. My concern is that it was partially decommissioned and then left anchored off the coast for a while, and then was photographed later. Yes, I know that this is unlikely, especially since it looks like there is still a weapon and sailors on the ship, but because I found the color version I'm concerned about that. I'd like for someone who actually has the
Preston source tell me that my scenario is impossible.
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I thought that it was covered by "She was refit at Kure in 1918, disarmed in 1922, and stricken from the Navy List the following year and scrapped in accordance with the
Washington Naval Treaty." (end of the second paragraph of the "Construction and service" section). Did I miss something or did you?
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Sven, I wasn't missing your concern. The ship didn't exist after 1925, so there is no possible way for the photo to have been taken and still be under copyright. The photo from the forum clearly has been colorized and retouched - there are dozens of them throughout the pages of that forum thread, see
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in the 1920s than no, there's no problem. My concern is that I'm not sure if that is the case. Yes, the source (which I don't have access to) says that the ship was scrapped, which would mean that it's not still around today to be photographed. However the photo that I linked to doesn't look like it
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The photo on the forum is irrelevant. It was posted 3 years after the one here was uploaded, and is a tighter cropping of the photo. And more importantly, the photo is irrefutably PD in both the country of origin (since it was taken before 1946) and in the US (since it was PD on 1 January 1996). The
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If
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Preston says Ibuki was scrapped at Kobe, 1923–25, Kurama at Kobe 1924–25. Conway's
Fighting Ships says Ibuki by 9.12.24 and Kurama 1924–25, so neither ship hung around a while before being scrapped. The website's year as 1912 seems a bit hard to believe as the photo doesn't seem to have been
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This is why I have it under the header "Additional items not required for a GA, but requested by the reviewer". You don't have to do it, I've approved GANs where everything else was done but the person never did the alt texts. Because I had to fix the caption anyways, I put them in myself.
446:(edit-conflict) Just a drive-by comment: the source doesn't so much matter, since the photo was taken before 1946. The photo is automatically PD in Japan due to its age, and was PD when the URAA went into effect in 1996, so it's PD in the US as well. It's perfectly fine to keep.
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Hope you don't mind me butting in, but while looking at the image situation, I noticed that the WNT is mentioned in the lead, but not in the body - the connection between the Treaty and the ships' disposal should be mentioned in the main text with a citation.
430:. I'm pretty sure that the image is just under a sepia filter, and therefore the claim that's an old postcard is fake. That would mean that the image has to go. Before I nuke it from orbit on Commons though, I wanted to let you know about the situation.
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source doesn't matter, because there is no possible way for this photo to be copyrighted anywhere. Heck, we can upload the forum photo here if someone cared to do it, since it's slightly larger and has been colored.
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Alt text is not required for GA. AFAIK the caption is readable by vision-impaired readers, so how would alt text improve upon the caption? I'll get to the rest of these comments tomorrow. Thanks for the
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You really don't need to explain copyright to me, I'm pretty sure I know as much, if not more, than you do on the matter. Actually I think that you're missing my concern here entirely. If the photo was
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250:, plus a manufacturing license." - This is awkwardly worked. I assume that it's a license to build the turbines themselves, but are the manufacturing license from Curtis or Fore River?
275:"The ships carried a maximum of 2,000 long tons (2,000 t) of coal and an additional 215 long tons (218 t) of fuel oil although their endurance is unknown." - what does endurance mean?
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I don't know about the actual source, but the original is certainly not in color—color photos were only rarely taken at that time. That's likely a colored image (color added later).
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