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Henry V. Novozhilov has been added to the infobox as designer of the Il-76, the field is intended for sole-designers ("Only appropriate for single designers, not project leaders") and it appears from the reference that he was leader of the design bureau - do we have a reliable source that he designed
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Wonderful. But: At the moment the reasons for adding article templates remain unclear, and imho its only pride, like: you think it could be better, but don't like to invest even the time to tell how others can do it, i remove the templates according to
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That's exactly what I was wondering after the IP templated me at my talk page. Templating me won't solve anything. I already added a number of references to the article. My question is: how many sources has the IP added so far? The maintenance templates have been re-added. Further removals of them
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According the the World
Airliner Census published in the Oct 3-9 2006 Issue of Flight International, there were 362 B-747s counting all-cargo and combi aircraft, there were 188 A-300 cargo aircraft, 157 MD-11 cargo aircraft, 134 Cargo DC-10s, 72 A-310 cargo aircraft and 66 Cargo 767s, all of which
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Since the western media is quite light on reports of Il-76 relief flights the story is obviously of little interest there so no liinks will be provided by this writer. Of course, the IL-76 was predominant during the tsumani relief operation, flying out of India and Russia in support. IL-76s also
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Added a very short entry to the main article, describing yet another version. Statement about current service is negated by the recent pictures of the iranian machine. But the question is... are there photos or drawings of the very first version... probably having a bulge on the rear cargo door
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Maybe they refer to the US registered IL-78 tanker, N78GF, that is on a tarmac in Texas. It is supposed to be in the US doing Air to Air refueling training under a US Government contract. I wonder si the fact that a US company owns an IL-78 and that it is US registered, if the USA should not be
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Note wording 'most widely used large CARGO plane'. How many cargo version 747s are operated world-wide? The C130 is a very different size category to the IL-76 (and most are in military use rather than freight/cargo). Perhaps it would be better to say 'most widely-used large cargo jet' or 'most
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This was a commonly used bit of data to prevent the
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Further, for the record, the IL-76 waterbomber was used in
Montenegro and Serbia this summer. The airplane was the subject of a further offer to Greece by President Putin just before Greek wildfires subsided. This offer was reported to have been solicited by Greek Prime Minister Karamanlis.
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Skylink as a IL-76 operator. Skylink does not own or lease IL-76s. Its pilots do not fly IL-76s. Skylink serves as a Canadian agent for other IL-76 operators. Il do not think that Skylink should be listed here. If it is, the map should be edited to add Canada to the
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My own 2 cents...Rather than adding/reverting a maintenance template....maybe let's start a new section on the talk page here, highlighting the specific issues with this article, and then maybe revisit if a maintenance template is necessary? Cheers!
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Stop joking. YOU or others who want to add templates have to give DETAILED reasons what to do to remove them. Please list ALL reasions here, but imho inline tags are possible. As though you failed to give any reason your edit was reverted.
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Although early reports speculated that it was a KJ-2000 that had crashed, mostly due to the large number of on-board fatalities, all news articles and websites published in 2007 agree that the crash involved a KJ-200 aircraft
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for the persistent removal of valid maintenance templates. I've provided my reasons right above. It's at least obtuse to proceed with their removal before posting here, asking for the reasons, and not waiting for my
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Accidents and incidents sections are meant only for aviation accidents and incidents. How does combat type event such as shoot down qualify as an aviation incident? It is not a hijacking or terrorist bombing.
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The map of users of the IL-76 is incomplete as it excludes New
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Plenty of information if you try Google (other search engines are also available) none of which is relevant to this article other than to reduce the head count for Yemeni Government Il-76s.
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