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This is true but irrelevant. In fact, dozens of other languages were also official languages of USSR, such as Tatar, Tajik, Armenian, etc. So, what gives? The question is not what's official, but under what language spelling the person was known. As the article states, Gelfand left
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I view the apostrophe-for-soft-sign as appropriate only when part of a larger transliteration system, like the AMS follows. There are of course mathematicians better known in common spellings (Lobachevsky and
Shafarevich) and mathematicians better known (well, in my experience) with diacritical
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