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Should it be included somewhere here that hte first game was, in essence, a retellign of the War of the Roses (War of the lions in ivalice) taking palce after the 100 years war (50 years war in ivalice)...except, you know, with magic stones and demons. Which would have made it a much more interesing
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433:Summary of
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742:Smash Hit
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