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able to acquire slaves. However, a corresponding rise in competition accompanied the bull market, leading to increasingly high prices for enslaved people in Virginia. However, these were generally outmatched by demand in the Deep South, shipping around a hundred individuals during the 1832–1833 season
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Although the following seasons were less lucrative, Saunders continued to profit from a booming slave market, as significant plantation expansion followed in the wake of Indian removal and the Trail of Tears. An active banking sector allowed for easy access to loans, compounding the number of farmers
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15/16 - Again, this mostly looks good. I'm not seeing support for the deflated prices in Virginia. Sublette quotes him as mentioning "fair prices", not low prices. Rothman quotes him wanting to "reduce the price of slaves in this market", but it's not clear that market was Virginia; it seems like
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here, but you're right that it isn't exactly clear. I don't think he'd be talking about New Orleans, since it seems that they would want prices as high as possible in Louisiana and as low as possible in Virginia. In any case, I tuned down the description of the prices in Virginia. -
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On the whole this is well written. However, I confess I found some sections hard to follow, especially the Fraudulent Trade in Louisiana section. I don't know much about this period of history, and the article often uses passive voice, making it unclear who exactly is doing what:
639:- I had to read this a few times to realize that "The ability to violate legislation created a boom" was effectively saying "They made money by breaking the law". I think this would be clearer if the subject of the sentence was Franklin & Armfield, not "the ability". 651:- I find this whole paragraph hard to follow. It's compressing a lot of history I never learned, and the "x, but y, but z" structure makes me feel like I can't find my footing. In the last sentence, who or what is shipping a hundred people? Saunders? The Deep South? 684:
9/10 - This mostly looks good. The article says he sold six young slaves to Franklin, but the source seems to mention seven ("Four days later, Saunders sold four other young men, a teenaged boy, and two teenaged girls to Isaac Franklin for $ 3,500 cash")
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This article is very reliant on a single source, but it's clearly a good source. I didn't find anything else on JSTOR or through Googling, so I can't point to anything you should have used instead. I think this is good for GA.
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I think you've addressed everything I noticed. If you decide to push this to FAC, I would recommend adding a Background section to provide a bit more historical context, although I don't think that's necessary for GA.
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Slaves could also be sold "at sea", with buyers in New Orleans purchasing the slaves while the ship was en route, thereby introducing their own property into the state, outlined in the legislation as a legal
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The whereabouts of the escaped slave had been discovered the day before setting sail, and Saunders hired agents to attempt to capture the fugitive in order to recuperate some of his continued financial
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The ability, albeit temporary, for Franklin & Armfield and their associates to violate the Louisiana legislation created a significant boom greatly capitalized on by Saunders.
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Source spot checks are solid. I noticed a few small things, but otherwise the info in the article is well sourced and I didn't catch any close paraphrasing.
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Despite urging of caution, Saunders continued making large purchases of slaves, having sent 17 slaves to Franklin & Armfield by September 1831
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27 - Mostly looks good. The source says he died in March, but doesn't specify March 19th. Where does that specific date come from?
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Saunders never formally acknowledged his children, although most of his children received inheritance as part of his will
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Nitpick: I'm not sure the New Orleans picture adds much to the article, especially next to a sentence about Saunders
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Sales made in Louisiana were passed as ones made in Virginia or Tennessee.
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Ope, that comes from a newspaper obituary I forgot to include. Added. - G
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it's either New Orleans or Natchez. Am I missing where this comes from?
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He put them in his will, but not as his children. Clarified this. - G
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I think the new image is a good fit and adds useful context.
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creating a massive profit which was then used by Saunders
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