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mention which state the man governed, as two states are in play here. The sentence "Judge Kendall Shoyer ordered Alberta Africa bound and gagged to keep her from raising the issue." does not clearly indicate what issue is being discussed. Lastly, "The jury declared Vincent and Alfonso innocent on all charges." is a candidate for improvement -- juries do not "declare", they "find", and they never find someone innocent. Rather, they find a defendant "not guilty."
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The image affiliated with this page, which other web sources have now picked up on, is of a balding Caucasian looking man. Is this really John Africa, or a prank? The question is a serious one because there aren't alot of extant pictures of the man on the web. I am seriously confused. According to my
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I have been accused of not being sufficiently bold and failing to make a sufficient attempt to improve this article. This puts me in a bind. If I barge ahead with an edit, then I'm going to get slammed. If I do nothing, then I'm going to get slammed. So in the interest of finding a middle ground,
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It's written in this article that Alberta Africa was bound & gagged to prevent her from "raising the issue." What issue? I also believe that there was more to the judge's order of her being bound & gagged aside from her possibly speaking out, but I'm guessing that thr truth will be buried
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Obviously, as I'm expanding this article, I think there's plenty of material here for both articles. The MOVE article itself doesn't need an extensive personal history of Africa or how he came to his philosophy, and Africa is invoked by himself often enough as a martyr or symbol that he's set apart
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Sure, and if I'd gone ahead and made those changes, I'd have caught all sorts of flak. Instead, I offered my points for consideration on the talk page. As for your other points, I find that pretty rude, quite frankly. Calling me "confrontational" is a pretty confrontational move on your part, if
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As a reader (not a proposed editor) of this page, I found the section on MOVE awkward and even incomprehensible in part. The phrase "Rendell's office then come up with" sounds like an exhausted verbal, un-encyclopedic narrative. The noun phrase "warrants signed by Governor Dick Thornburgh" should
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The article is tagged for non-neutrality. The article is written exclusively from the perspective of the MOVE organization. It presents a highly distorted version of what Africa's ideas were which focuses on animal rights for some reason. Suggesting that their problems with the police were due
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exclusively to their activity related to "animal cruelty in zoos, the education system, and police brutality" is not a neutral presentation of the dispute. Stating that the death of the police officer in the standoff is proved by "evidence" to have been caused by friendly fire is non-neutral.
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Why is MOVE blamed for the block being burned? Yes, they did fire; however, it is a two-way road, and they weren't the only ones engaging. MOVE didn't drop the bomb. Neutrality is preferable, even though many would like to see the PPD given the blame (just representing the misrepresented).
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here is a revision of the page that I would find worthy of inclusion. If another editor finds this acceptable, then he/she has my blessing to make this change for her/himself, but I will not make that change. Let some other editor get raked over the coals by fanatical pro-MOVErs.
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stronger than the GS-correlation between John Africa and civil rights or John Africa and philosopher. Now I'm not saying this completely refutes the notion that Africa and MOVE's notability aren't inextricable, but it doesn't exactly help that notion's case either.
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There is a grand total of one unlinked source cited. I took the liberty of linking it, but that source by itself does not support the assertions of the article. A lot more than one citation is called for to establish that the Philly PD bombed and killed these
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The trial transcript is available, but it's hosted by danielfaulkner.com, which is obviously not a neutral source. That being said, it is the transcript, so I would think its sufficient. I'll put the reference in once I find the page and line numbers.
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under the usual fiction that pervades many wiki articles. But to end the sentence in the section of this article I've shown with an unexpounded thought such as this is beyond bizarre. Please elaborate to clarify this matter.
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as a cite for MAJ being a prominent follower of JA's teachings. I'll take MAJ at his word that he's a JA disciple, but I think it's reasonable to not take MAJ's account of his trial at face value.
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as a sufficient citation, but it's from a partisan, primary source and I'd like third-party secondary source support for MAJ requesting JA as his attorney. However, I did add
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to support notability arguments (it's the quality, not the quantity of hits that should count) but in this case I think it's relevant to point out that a Google search for
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It occurred to me that for comparison, I should do a similar analysis on a couple of figures comparable to (except more notable than) Africa. I'll table-ize these later.
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I'd say the source has sufficient verisimilitude so as to be sufficient, and heck, that transcript is riddled with JA refs. I'd leave it as is. Nice job.
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I don't think merger is necessary, or useful. There should be an article on John Africa. There is nothing wrong with crossover material, imho
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you ask me. Ad hominem attacks don't go over well on Knowledge either. Please address my points, not what you perceive my style to be.
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MOVE, your hit count decreases by about 96%. I don't have time to do an in-depth statistical analysis, but I'll also mention here that
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from his followers. His notability may derive from MOVE, but that doesn't mean that article is the best place to discuss him. --
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Minor in terms of Africa's biography, but it seems relevant to talk about followers when you have a biography of a leader. --
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Revolutionaries-with-a-capital-R? No mention of why the police allegedly commited this supposed massacre? If that's not
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Why was mention of the police bombing (clearly supported in the police comission report) edited out by Czar in May 2022?
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an idea to rebel against an oppressive society that bulldozed homes to make way to build more academic housing...
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gives a decrease of about 2.6%, demonstrating that the Google-space correlation between John Africa and
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cursory research John Africa was an older black man with dreadlocks. Can anyone in the know weigh in?
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Abu-Jamal requested that Africa represent him during his murder trial. That seems relevant to me.
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OK, so we now have a nice little article... but it's not about John Africa, it's about
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gets 831. In other words, when you search for pages containing "John Africa" but
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The problem, as I see it, is that Mr. Africa chiefly derives his notoriety from
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I see no consensus here, but I'll leave this debate open one more day.
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Formal statistical correlation is left as an exercise for the reader.
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It is stil POV. I fixed some, especially the grammar. Yet this:
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This biographical article about a United States activist is a
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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There, I've done the page creator's homework for her/him.
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How's this for a source: I lived through it. It happened.
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is a prominent follower of the teachings of John Africa.
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organization prominent in the late 1960's. He died on
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