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1033:- You keep replying, but you don't seem to be reading what I'm writing, or else I am horrible at communicating. I certainly did not say I own the article, but thanks for admitting you assumed bad faith. I said when there is no MOS preferred formatting, then changes require consensus. That is true, not a statement of ownership. I don't know why you keep bringing up being an admin - I never once said anything about being an admin. It is a fact that is totally irrelevant to this article. Likewise, what some admins (possibly) did wrongly on some other articles has no relevance here.
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979:, when you said you own the article, assumption of faith went out the door. You cannot say I own this and you do as I say. That is the same as saying Fuck off, you can't do anything here. So next time, you assume good faith and not tell another to take a hike. Yes, I did look at
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