1201:, and, unlike Steve Brookstein and Leon Jackson, he's still in the public eye. His new album comes out in 2016 and IMO all he's done already (and will do in the future) still outweighs anything any of his namesakes have done. One of the opposers of the second move request said they'd support him being the primary topic if he wasn't irrelevant within a year, and he isn't.
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I have just recently read the James Arthur winners book which talks about his life and it has loads of information about when he was starting out as a singer which would be good for this article, i have not been able to find the book on the internet where i can get references from but does anyone
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Somehow those aren't the results I saw when I looked. But it doesn't disprove my point. My point is that what George Ho said is correct. Recent popularity and statistics wouldn't make a subject primary. They were just additional comments, not my actual point.
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says even if the singer was never to release another record his notability and popularity has already been established. I can understand users wanting to oppose these pop-culture articles being moved to PT but if looking at the page views I think the move is
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I'm not going to revert you again or enter into a long discussion, for fear of "upsetting" you further, so I suggest you add whatever you think is encyclopedic, relevant and well-sourced, and other editors can decide whether it is appropriate or not.
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Where was James Arthur born? was it
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in 2011, a full album mind you! In 2011, he had 2 EPs as James Arthur Band. We can go much further back particularly with Save Arcade where he was lead vocals with the EP
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ok thanks for finding out :) that means James Arthur was born in the same town as me :)
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1783:Cheers.—
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