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1023:; even with 100% of the proportional vote you'd have only 176 proportional seats. And while the proportional election is crucial to Communists and Kƍmeitists, what is of primary interest on first approach: Who wins a majority and forms a government? And under normal circumstances, the majoritarian election of 289 members decides that question. Only if it the FPTP tier produces a more or less even result, the PR tier may tip the balance. But in the last four consecutive elections, the winning party won more than 40% of the vote and more than 200 seats in the majoritarian election, and if you already have those, 20% or maybe even 15% of the proportional vote would be enough for a majority, in 2012 the LDP would even only have needed four proportional seats to get over the line. In the question "who won?", the proportional election was just an appendix. 1026:
members. One may think that such a parallel system (where FPTP usually dominates) is not suited very well to a pluralistic modern society – and if you agree that would apply even more to systems like the UK or the US where not only two thirds, but all members are elected by FPTP –, and if you are Kƍmeitƍ or JCP supporter you probably won't like it. But Wikipeda has to describe the voting system as it is, not one that one or other editor likes. It may be tedious to have to list two separate parallel election results to one and the same body, but that's how the electoral system works since 1996. ––
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election as suggested in the section above might be helpful. But if the endorsements are for most but not all individual candidates and with even competing nominations in some races (as they usually have been), it might be better to keep the parties separate in the infobox and include something like a "candidates and nomination strategy" section in the article instead – on October 10, when the official election period starts (and the nominations are sewn up), Japanese media usually publish summaries and statistics and report on interesting races.
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Agreed. Would like to add that the person who reverted the edit cited Germany as an example of a mixed system where only the PR vote is written - but Germany's compensatory system means the PR share *is* seat share (excluding parties under the threshold). In Japan this is not the case - the SMD vote
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Also of note is the fact that Japanese media are increasingly portraying the LDP as red, in contrast to the Democrats who were blue (as the CDP is now) - see coverage of last year's Sangiin election. (I'm not sure yet if there's a consensus on how to portray the Communists - I feel like I've seen it
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P.S.: Of course, nomination strategy becomes crucial in such FPTP systems with more than two notable parties (and the 48% in 2014 are bound to include some 10+ of Kƍmeitƍ supporters); and if all alliances were indeed 100% comprehensive countrywide, a changed box for alliances in the majoritarian
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So, could you please include the popular vote in the election of the majority of members of the House of Representatives? The 33.11% for the LDP in the proportional vote elected only 68 proportional LDP members, the 48% of the vote in the majoritarian election gave the LDP 222 majoritarian LDP
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The election is increasingly tripolar - although there are nine parties, each is in one of these three alliances, usually promising not to run candidates against each other. Therefore I propose that this election inbox look something like
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I really think that writing just "291 seats, 33.11%" as *the* result for the previous election is utterly misleading because it suggests the 33% the LDP received in the 2014 proportional election gave it its majority. But this is a
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Knowledge (XXG) probably has rules on marking the same party with the same colour in different elections, but I feel this colour scheme would be more helpful than marking two of the three coalitions as different shades of green.
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It is absurd to call the alliance that includes the Social Democratic Party and the Communist Party the "Liberal Coalition" - this turns the word "liberal" (which is about free markets and private property based society) on its
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share is far more indicative of seat share than PR, as explained above - so I support including both. (In fact, if I had to choose one from the two, I'd include the SMD share.)
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Also, totally agree that we need to watch the nature of the alliances very carefully and should only change the inbox afterwards.
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Previous map used was, to my knowledge, incorrectly cited, the author of the map being alternatehistory.com users
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Excuse the basic question, but how do you access the code of the result's spreadsheet when it only show
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Oryxslayer, I apologise for removing it, however it felt wrong to have it up as it was.
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A news item involving 2017 Japanese general election was featured on Knowledge (XXG)'s
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marked as purple once, i.e. close to, but not exactly, a part of the blue coalition.)
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Infobox: Removal of the popular vote in the previous 2014 majoritarian election
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