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Jasmine Revolution in a generic sense, but the use does not seem to be widespread. It mostly seems to be used to describe the 2011 Tunisian Revolution. If generic use becomes significant enough to be worth adding to the "Impact ..." article, then IMHO it will be justified to add it here as
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Jasmine by anybody. Thus, the
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Tunisian Revolution. If no new countries are affected and the situation in China does not progress, then yes, delete this article. However, if the revolts continue to
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protests/protest attempts/revolutions, my guess is that "Facebook revolutions" is getting more popular than "Jasmine revolutions". We don't yet know what the long term dominating term will be (if there will be one), but it seems to me unjustified to say that most of them are considered "Jasmine
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title of the article itself is highly questionable to begin with, and much of the content would need to be removed, as it is unrelated to the topic of the article. The content that would remain is actually duplicating the content of
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the June 2009 disputed election, Jasmine Revolution. The same is true for other uprisings across the region and beyond. I suggest that we merge this into the Tunisian Revolution page. (H.Mansourian)
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