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Isn't Jevons paradox just another expression of the "Tragedy of the Commons" concept? It seems that numerous concepts just like this one are listed at the bottom of the "Tragedy of the Commons" article, including quite a few from the field of economics. If not, maybe an explanation of why not is in
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This "paradox" relies rather completely on axioms from neoclassical economics, such as demand being elastic with cost of supply. This is clearly not the case in any modern economy, where liabilities/externalities, absolute bans on some technologies, taxes, etc., apply. The article needs a clearer
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education campaigns that stress the value of overall efficiencies, such as savings on power grid construction or preventing water outages, which dampen any tendency to use more simply because it's cheap enough, redirecting savings to something other than consumption
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Moore's Law, Sturgeon's Law, Occam's razor... are all possessive. It seems like Jevons' paradox is not possessive simply because his name ends in an S and the s' rule is little known/used. Anyone else support adding apostrophe?
263:" which is a deprecated concept generally. There is no chance whatsoever that oil would "run out" or even become relatively difficult to access before the negative effects of its use (plastics in the ocean, 306: 201:(= Richard Nolthenius) who cites his own original, non peer reviewed research. This user displays a pattern of citing his own original research in Knowledge, see background information here: 232:
Rather than just make this change and see what happens, I thought it would be better to discuss it. q: should it be "Jevons' paradox" with the apostrophe after his surname?
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dipping too far toward or even below negative. As such, peak oil is quite certainly still valid, especially if the deregulation and subsidization that create the farce of
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This article lacks real-world examples comprehensible to the average reader who has just encountered some kind of quack out of context citation of Jevons.
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order, i.e., the differences between the two concepts. If so, maybe a link to the "Tragedy of the Commons" article is in order.
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taxes on both inefficient technologies & fuel, so that efficiency gains can be collected & spent on other efficiencies
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outright bans on inefficient obsolete technologies or those with inherent negative side effects / externalities / risk
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example, which appears on analysis to actually not demonstrate Jevons, though it is claimed to have.
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Hubbert peaks, as in peak oil, never necessarily meant literal total exhaustion of a resource, but
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Garrett_relation
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Neoclassical economics & lists of ways to overcome the "paradox"
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Isn't this just another "Tragedy of the Commons" concept?
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There are some very good lists of references debunking it
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in different applications. That one linked includes an
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list of ways the Paradox is overcome in actual policy:
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There are some very good lists of references debunking it
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