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I rewrote it to "Mexican-Spanish" because that is what we would call him in modern times and this is what readers will immediately understand, although it is clear that neither Mexico nor Spain existed in their present forms then, thus I specify in parenthesis "New
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I rewrote it to "Mexican-Spanish" because that is what we would call him in modern times and this is what readers will immediately understand, although it is clear that neither Mexico nor Spain existed in their present forms then, thus I specify in parenthesis "New
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What would you call him in modern times then? He was born in modern day Mexico and was a subject of Spain, like all
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Both approaches have their shortcomings. "Novohispanic" may be more precise but it seems like a specialist's technical term (e.g. jargon) and may not be familiar to many readers. "Mexican-Spanish" is confusing--does it refer to a person of
Mexican heritage living in Spain or a person of Spanish
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