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since they are far from being blind with wines! In addition, for sample, anyone can check that a Haut-Brion it is not a 75% Cabernet! More around 50% Cabernet, 25% Merlot and 25% Cabernet Franc… Only cheaters would get involved in tastings like this one. Anyone citing something from the "Wine
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and not just by journalist. I think most of my customers and fellow winos who are even aware of the Paris tasting know it more as the Judgment of Paris then the 1976 Paris Tasting. In fact, I've seen and heard countless references to the "famous"
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