Talk:Julian Castro/Archive 1

478:. This is a solution in search of a problem. Things are perfectly fine the way they are. There are already hatnotes on both articles. Julian Castro is his name in many sources, such as Reuters, The Washington Post, USA Today, Politico, and the University of Texas at San Antonio Digital Library, to name a few. Over the next few months anyone typing Julian Castro in the search box is going to want this article by a factor of at least a hundred to one, because of the HUD nomination, so this is by far the primary topic compared to a short-term Venezuelan President 150 years ago - no disrespect to him. Why send the vast majority of readers to the article they don't want? Not to mention "politician" can have a subtle negative connotation to some people during his confirmation hearings, as opposed to "statesman" or even "mayor" - this is the worst possible time for this proposal - we should not appear biased right now even unintentionally. 3446:, which states: "For minor spelling variations (capitalization, diacritics, punctuation and spacing after initials,...): when a consistent and unambiguous self-published version exists, it is usually followed ...." Since Castro appears to be consistent in his use of the accent, I think we should use it as well. Furthermore, using the accent helps indicate to readers that his name should be pronounced in the Spanish style (hoo-lee-ON) instead of the English style (JOO-lee-en). Also, I believe that the current-day politician should be considered the primary topic. I don't think the Venezuelan president is going to be referenced much more than he already has been. -- 3853:- This subject is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in terms of usage, by far, and unknown (but likely) in terms of long-term significance. 160 years ago, the Venezuelan president was the president for a year and five months of a country with a population of about 1 million. In contrast, the subject of this article was the mayor of a city of 1.5 million for five years and the HUD secretary of a country of 325 million people for two and a half years. The Venezuelan president's article is read by 13 people per day. The U.S. presidential candidate's article is read by 1318 people each day, a hundred fold difference. I 550:. The IP (only post) should realize that adding (American politician) will help readers find what they are looking for an avoid the more long-term notable historical figure. As far as "Julian Castro is his name in many sources " - we do not give basic ASCII names to people simply because they get mentioned in Basic ASCII sources. The IP would have to show at the very least that New York Times and Economist drop accents deliberately while keeping them for other names, and in any case this aspect is a red herring as with or without a font change the Venezuelan president is still there. 4673:

consolidate the available information about the campaign into one location, as there (unfortunately) isn't enough information on the encyclopedia to warrant much more than an individual subsection. This would, of course, be done with no prejudice towards recreating the article, as any interested editors should still have the option of developing a thorough article about the topic, but the only information about the campaign in the campaign article is just two short sentences about his announcement. In other words, there's quite literally

2028:? Really? Are you aware that San Antonio was the largest Spanish settlement in what is now Texas going back over 300 years, that it is important in the history of Mexico and the Republic of Texas and the Confederate States of America, and that it it now the 7th largest city in a country with a population of 325 million people? Hey, I am 66 years old, have only visited Texas three times (other than changing planes) and have never once visited San Antonio. But I am smart enough to know that San Antonio is a major world city. Get a clue. 1602:. Clearly no consensus to move to the proposed disambiguated title, but this is messy because of the move of the Venezuelan president during this discussion. There really needs to be a separate multi-move proposal to determine if this American politician is the primary topic of the name with the diacritic, whether his COMMONNAME includes the diacritic, and whether the dab page there now should be moved to make room for this article. I just don't see how to make that determination from this discussion. 160:

Racketeering laws as well as state sedition and political extremist laws. La Raza Unida gained headlines when it took over a number a Texas border towns and officially seceded from the United States, declared allegiance to Mexico, raised the Mexican flag, and sent credentialed emissaries to the Mexican government. Rosie Castro was one of the leading figures of the movement and has been under Federal investigation and surveillance for decades.

31: 4404: 1815:, I do not think recentism really applies since this person has been highly notable for at least ten years. As for "America-centrism", perhaps that phrase should be changed to "U.S.-centrism" since Venezuela is located on one of the two American continents. If the readership was 70-30 or even 80-20, perhaps these points would be valid. But since 99+% of our readers are looking for 1096:

Assets Stabilization Program ". The NYT article just says "housing advocates have stepped up their calls for reforms in the loan sale program and singled out Julian Castro, the HUD secretary, for what they said was his slow response to heeding the criticism". That's different. So still a no. (And yes, deletions do improve articles, depending on what is being deleted)

2494:. He's using the diacritic prominently in his campaign materials, so the current title is just incorrect. The discussion about possibly retitling the other Castro page can take place later, depending on how well this Castro's presidential race goes. It's going to be a long couple of years so there's no rush. For now, we should use his name as he spells it. 4452: 784:, which is the relevant policy page. Identical titles are a technical impossibilty. Unlike print, which could have two or more articles titled "John Smith", the software can't handle that. But "John Smith", "John smith", "Johnsmith", "JohnSmith" "John-Smith" and "John Smith!" could all be article titles. The policy is that 1130:

Center for Public Inquiry is not a neutral or reliable source. Buzzfeed is described as a ""social news and entertainment company" which does not sound like a publication with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Get rid of those four, and then see what can still be sourced by the Politico and NYT references. --

2295:. The Venezuelan Julián Castro, who served as President for a year in the 19th century, had virtually little effect on Venezuela or its history as it seems from what is currently on his article on the English and Spanish Knowledge (XXG). Toolforge's Pageviews Analysis tool shows that the American politician 1192:) His potential for outreach was a campaign issue--covered by large media. It was one reason why the State Party wanted him specifically to be nominated. If this was significantly impacted in any way, including by something he did or could not successfully do, it would need to be added into the article. 4116:

That has been the uncontested title of the Joaquín article since it was created in 2006; I don't find any history of moves. As for "historically depicted", that's why I showed the mayoral archives; he was elected mayor there 10 years ago. And I can't believe you claiming that "what he uses himself is

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page. The third was the American politician's Knowledge (XXG) page. The fourth was a source in Spanish. The fifth was a list of Facebook users named "Julian Castro" around Caracas. The sixth was an article about the American's foreign policy, specifically in regards to the recent unrest in Venezuela.

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Bizzare you are referring to him merely as a mayor. The man was also a cabinet member. Do you really believe that at any point in the coming decades more English Knowledge (XXG) readers would be looking for the Venezuelian president than would be looking for the American politician (a cabinet member,

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added a paragraph saying that Castro doesn't speak Spanish very well, so that his campaign outreach abilities are limited. The paragraph was sourced to an NBC news item which in turn was sourced to an unnamed "Clinton ally". I considered that sourcing too weak and deleted it. The IP added it again. I

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Because that is the proper spelling of the name in general. I do agree that the lack of usage by himself or sources means it can be omitted here, so I don't think Joaquin really needs to be discussed further, unless he starts using the diacritic. However Julián definitely seems to be both the proper

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Then we would need evidence that his "proper" name is with a diacritic, which I take to mean his birth name. Unless we're going to see his birth certificate, we would have to take the common name, and I would be inclined to take the common name anyway. There's no indication that Joaquin's name has a

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Probably because nobody has ever bothered to care about moving Joaquin. I've just searched his name on Google and I will be moving that article shortly, since the only result that uses a diacritic in his name is Knowledge (XXG). That page move should not be relevant in this discussion though. Yes it

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for this topic. I'm generally against use of diacritics in titles unless they are used more commonly than not in English Reliable Sources, which appears to be the case here. When I google "Julian Castro" I find both many news services as well as his official website all use the diacritic. And hits

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and eliminating the DAB page", we can't just do that. As per the procedural close above, you can't just decide move to a page that has content on it and eliminate that content. It would require a new discussion - one that would involve the participants at both pages. It may be obvious to you, and to

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We almost always title our biographical articles with diacritics if the people they're about use the diacritic in their own English-language life. I'm curious if we could ask the mayor whether or not he minds people dropping the accent, lol. (As closer of the other move, I'm not participating here -

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shows that you should use /x/ for the sound represented in writing with a j (and sometimes g). Alternative, if he uses an anglicized pronunciation, the proper symbol could be /h/. Anyone who knows IPA and can verify which type of pronunciation he himself normally uses could settle this properly. But

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La Raza Unida although describing itself as a Civil Rights organization was in fact a publicly identified Mexican irredentist organization, motivated by race, advocating a program of "Mexican reconquest" of the South West, and has been found to be a criminal organization under both state and federal

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I'd say that Joaquín is definitely the proper spelling, but like you said he and house.gov use Joaquin (although I suspect it's not out of preference, but convenience and disregard), so there's a pretty good argument for no diacritic. The same can't be said about Julián as he definitely prefers the

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I’m actually surprised to see opposition to adding the diacritic to his name; I think it is clearly his common name. Rather than assuming “most sources won’t use it” or “we don’t do that”, how about we take a look at what sources are actually doing? (I see that B2C beat me to it but his results are

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He was a cabinet secretary, city mayor and now presidential candidate in the last ten years. That makes him more notable than somebody who was the president of Venezuela for one year in the 19th century. Not because of any particular criteria that says so, but because the page views for this Julian

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etc.) But by no possible interpretation is this guy primary topic over the Venezuelan president. Yes, he was only in power for a couple of years, but as leader of a sovereign state he clearly has greater longterm significance than someone who isn't even their party's candidate for president yet. So

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support moving without a clear consensus that there is a primary topic. The default when there is no consensus PT should always be to disambiguate; we shouldn't "grandfather" in a primary topic based on "status quo" arguments. It's unfortunate that the previous RM close did not decide the diacritic

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Thanks for your comments. It could be significant, yes, but only if it is verified by strong, credible sources. This item is sourced to an un-named "Clinton ally" - which could, on this week of all weeks, mean someone who is in competition for the Vice Presidential nomination. I regard this kind of

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so don't make it tougher on the large majority of readers just as this article becomes much more read (thousands of times each day compared to a few dozen for the Venezuelan). If you want to switch this to "Julián Castro" the other should be switched to "Julián Castro (Venezuelan president)", but I

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the addition of the accent mark and "(American politician)". Definitely not "mayor," because chances are strong that he will hold other offices in the future. Some change of title is necessary to avoid confusion with former president of Venezuela Julián Castro. Suggest hatnotes for differentiation.

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is enough evidence that his proper name is with the diacritic. I think it's a bit too much to require a birth certificate for such a thing, as that would make that guideline useless except in rare cases where the subject has provided theirs. Also, again: "Weight can and should also be given to the

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section which says "Whenever the most common spelling in English-language reliable sources is the person's real name, or the name with the diacritical marks simply omitted, the proper name (with the diacritics) is normally used." as well as "Weight can and should also be given to the preference of

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I don't know what you mean by "completing the move". This discussion was about moving to (American politician); there is a pretty clear consensus against that, and this could probably be closed right now as "no move", although someone uninvolved should do that. If by "completing the move" you mean

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The real shame is an emotional, fact-free attempt to correct perceived biases. The Venezuelan president was the president for a year and five months of a country with a population of about 1 million. In contrast, the subject of this article was the mayor of a city of 1.5 million for five years and

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We could keep this one where it is, without the diacritic, but that's not really the name he goes by. As for whether this is the Primary Topic, IMO that's recentism and America-centrism. It's true that this article gets more page views, but this is about a person who has been a mayor and a cabinet

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Yes, the NYT is reliable and noteworthy but unfortunately it doesn't support the text you wish to add. The text in question is "Castro was subjected to increased scrutiny over the sale of steeply discounted mortgages and thousands of foreclosed houses to Wall Street firms through HUD's Distressed

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to back it up. Knowledge (XXG) is an encyclopedia, not a comment board, and everything on it has to be supported by reliable sources. You were correct to put these comments on the talk page, rather than the article itself. You should not add any of this material to the article yourself, since you

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The US politician is primary with respect to usage, so this article should stay at the version of the name that people will normally navigate to. Recentism is bad when it gives the reader a distorted view of a topic, not when it merely saves a large majority of readers a click in getting to the

3348:. Odd how "recentism" is invoked in regards to the diacritic but not with regards to primary topic status, which literally flipped "overnight" when he announced his presidential run. We did need to transition through a disambiguation phase, so that the Venezuelan could be removed from PT first! 2636:

is not a redirect, it is a DAB page listing both people of that name. It would need a whole new discussion to determine whether this American politician is the primary topic and should be the target of a redirect. IMO that discussion should wait until this one is closed. In the meantime I favor

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You do have some acceptable sources this time. Politico and NYT are OK. They do support some of your material. However, the Salon op-ed is POV and completely unacceptable. The "Value Walk" item actually links to the Salon op-ed and in any case Value Walk is not a neutral or reliable source. The

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I remember reading somewhere - can't find it now - that for Knowledge (XXG) purposes, the name with or without the diacritic is considered to be identical. For example, François Mitterrand and Francois Mitterrand are the same name. Beyoncé and Beyonce are the same name. Andre the Giant is not a

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In short, I think it would be beneficial to the readers if this information was consolidated into his bio page, as his campaign page is so underdeveloped that his bio page already does a better job at covering it. His campaign page can be turned into a redirect without deleting the history and

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The American is the primary subject, quite obviously. He has been a major American politician for over a decade, and is quite clearly who people are looking for when the type in "Julián Castro". I just googled "julian castro" and got 32.6 million results. There was no mention of the Venezuelan

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Solid point MrX. The Venezuelan president can very well be argued to be a rather obscure figure from deep in the annals of history. Whereas the other is a highly relevant contemporary figure to which most readers searching their name would be likely navigating towards. It is important to make

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The rationale for merging does not comment on the viability of Castro's campaign. As far as I know, it's not mandatory for active presidential campaigns in the United States to have their own standalone articles up until the moment they drop out. The purpose of this merge would simply be to

4320:) 19:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC) P.S. Note that the same is true - the accent or diacritic gets dropped - for many other names when used by English speakers: Renée becomes Renee, André becomes Andre, etc. In Joaquin's case, he seems to have dropped it. In Julián's case, he insists on it. -- 564:

Readers will be looking for this article under "Julian Castro". Most English speakers do not care about the accent and certainly won't type it. Reliable sources use both versions. The sources cited were HTML, not Basic ASCII. But I'm not opposed to an accent. The point is that this is the

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But we'd be asking only half the question. The question should be whether he'd rather have us drop the accent or add the word "politician" in bold letters next to his name at the top of the article. Who knows, his answer might be the same, but I bet he'd at least stop to think about it.

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I find it used by the Houston Chronicle, the El Paso Times, Rolling Stone, Vox, the Washington Post, the Huffington Post, and again CNN and the New York Times, but not the Chicago Tribune (a little out of date since it describes him simply as “San Antonio Mayor”) and again not by USA

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I respect that position, but bear in mind that the information on his bio is still just a couple of paragraphs, which I'd say is the bear minimum that needs to stay on his bio. Otherwise, the section linking to the campaign article would need to be tagged as requiring an expansion.

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If anything both the accented and unaccented names without the DAB should be the title and a redirect to this US politician and the long dead President moved to (Venezuelan politician). A lot of the traffic to the Venezuelan guy is people looking for the US Presidential candidate.

4046: 4035:, with articles about his announcement for president: Every source on the first page of hits uses it: CNN, KXAN, ABC News, NBC News, New York Times, New York Post. The NYT even notes that when he filed the paperwork to run for president, he added the accent to his name by hand. 3539:

between that and the fact that common usage favours the American, and longterm significance favours the Venezuelan a disambiguation page is correct. If we can't get consensus to move to the parenthetical version then I'd prefer to leave it as is (at least it somewhat satisfies

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have put it there twice now. Re-adding it a third time could be considered as edit warring. If you find sources that you consider to be reliable, please provide links here, so that a third party can evaluate the sources and decide whether to add the material to the article. --

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No, arguing that someone who isn't even candidate yet is primary over an actual serving president is absurd. We are an encyclopedia not a dictionary of trending terms in 2019. If he becomes the Democratic Nominee or president then I might reconsider but for now this is pure

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It would be helpful if you were more specific with your concerns and careful with your edits. A wholesale deletion does not improve the article. What about it exactly do you find "cherry picked"? I have added more sources. Is the NYT not reliable or noteworthy in your view?

1529:– He goes by that name with the pronunciation with an accent. In addition, he personally styles his name like this and said if he ran for President he would use the accent. Furthermore, his brother's article has an accent. So simply it is incorrect to omit the accent. 2290:

under Knowledge (XXG)'s guidelines. The American Julián Castro is a contemporary federal politician of the United States who has been in the media spotlight for a decade, was the mayor of a major city with 1.3 million residents for five years, and is the sibling of

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I doubt if he would "mind", as in, make an issue of it (a typical politician attitude would be - call me anything, just call me). He knows that many newspapers aren't set up to use diacritics. But as for his actual name, he uses the accent on the official mayoral

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No, what I meant was that the readers of the English Knowledge (XXG) take precedent, and as there are far more English speakers in America than Venezuela, there are likely to be many times more readers of the English Knowledge (XXG) in America than in Venezuela.

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different person from André the Giant. What we have here is two different articles with the same name (differing only in the diacritic, which both of them actually use anyhow). And that violates Knowledge (XXG) policy that article names have to be unique. --

1673:. With respect to the Venezuelan president's significance, his article is rarely viewed more than 20 times a day. When 99.31% of people searching Julian Castro want the US politician, disambiguating does little more than create a thorn in reader's sides. 3630:

Well if "(American politician)" was rejected then we'll just have to stick with using the absence of a diacritic as a NATURALDIS disambiguator from the Venezuelan president. It's not ideal, but the fact remains that there is no primary topic for the

2147:. This is the English Knowledge (XXG) and the American politician clearly takes precedence in this case, as most English readers will be looking for this article. There is no reason to introduce a parenthetical disambiguation when one isn't needed. 3086:

COMMONNAME pertains to titles, not to article content. I would like to see you revert your revert unless you can cite a policy/guideline/convention objection to using diacritics for references to this person in that article content. Thanks.

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Although it's not quite unanimous, it's quite clear that reliable English language sources are almost universally using the diacritic in this person's name when referring to him. This is about as strong of a COMMONNAME case as we ever see.

3986:-Real Clear politics. No diacritic in article title, but there is in first sentence of body article: "Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro officially announced his presidential bid in San Antonio on Saturday, ...". 4231:

I was going to object to the moving of Joaquín's article to Joaquin, but when I did a little research I think it actually makes sense. He himself does not seem to use it much - see, for example, his own page on the House of Representatives

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the reason is that the diacritic is not necessary for Joaquin to pronounced correctly; it’s wha-KEEN with or without the diacritic. Whereas the diacritic changes the pronunciation of Julian drastically, from JOO-lee-un to hoo-lee-AHN. --

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So you're just confirming what I was saying by qualifying the American mayor as a "highly relevant contemporary figure" and the Venezuelan president as an obscure figure from deep in the annals of history. Thanks for the support.

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of his campaign website, his own name is given as "Julián" whereas his brother's name is given repeatedly as "Joaquin" (instead of the Spanish-orthography "Joaquín"). The applicable Knowledge (XXG) naming convention seems to be

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is now a redirect to that article, so it is potentially available for this article to be moved to that title. Based on that availability, and influenced by the discussion here, I am now in favor of moving this article to

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A scientist friend of mine gave me the perfect solution for these discussions: apply the scientific principle of Conservation of Diacritics. Take the diacritic from Joaquin and move it to Julián. Problem solved! 0;-D --

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Seems clear that he consistently uses the diacritic, and so do the majority of the news outlets and other reliable sources. Some more informal sources may drop it, but it's more encyclopedic to use his proper name here.

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the HUD secretary of a country of 325 million people for two and a half years. The Venezuelan president's article is read by 13 people per day. The U.S. presidential candidate's article is read by 1318 people each day,

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On one end we have a president of a major country, on the other end a random mayor of a city known only by Americans. This is a shame. I agree with the recentism and America-centrism point made by the person above.

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This Julian Castro has 373,000 page views in the last 30 days. I just checked the Venezuelan Julian Castro, and somehow it's zero views. Arguing that the Venezuelan Castro is the primary Julian Castro is absurd.

1643:, nobody likes having them disambiguated only by a diacritic, particularly since the American who is the subject of this article also uses a diacritic. There is developing consensus at that article to move it to 3857:

which is unnecessary disambiguation. This should be obvious from the lack of consensus in the move request (above) from three weeks ago. The analysis below (§ GOOGLETEST results) support using the diacritic per

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in terms of usage, by far, and unknown (but likely) in terms of long-term significance. This Venezuelan president served for a year and half 160 years ago. Not that many people are reading his bio on enwiki.-

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situation where the long term significance argument cancels the usage argument out. We can always re-evaluate if he continues to receive significant coverage during the primary (which has only just begun).

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source. If anything, the Venezuelan president would immensely more frequently be serving as a hindrance/annoyance to readers seeking the American politician than it would serve as an intended destination.

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secretary, while the other is about someone who was the president of his country. If we retain Julian Castro as a redirect pointing to the DAB-named article, there will be no inconvenience to readers. --

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In May 2014 there were reports that he will be nominated as the next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development by President Obama; a White House spokesman and Castro himself both declined to comment.

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is how he is listed in the official city archives of San Antonio: note the diacritic. As for whether "we" really "do" that at Knowledge (XXG): Here is his brother's article, complete with diacritic:

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Indeed. The current status quo, and the correct arrangement here, is that there is no primary topic. "Vehemently" opposing the addition of a parenthetical disambiguator doesn't change that. —

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Castro himself has confirmed that he benefited from affirmative action, and that is already in the article. Non-neutral adjectives and editorializing are not in the article, and will not be. --

3878:. I think it's very hard to make the case that a mayor, minor cabinet member and candidate is primary over an actual head of state, even a fairly obscure one. We should probably rename him to 2119: 584:

That was just discussed at the other move request; consensus there was that the president of a country should be the primary subject over a mayor, even though the mayor gets lots more hits. --

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I know he's still in the race, so this may be premature, but there's actually more information about his campaign in his biographical article right now than there is in the campaign article.

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template to help them find the person of the (to them) identical name. It is entirely irrelevant if they notice or not the accent mark. If, and only if, the accent mark is really part of his

3953: 3057:? You should not revert unless you have reason to believe there is conflict with policy or conventions, in which case that reason should be stated in the edit summary or on the talk page. -- 970:

Should we discuss the differences between Fidel Castro and Julian Castro so people don't confuse them? As in a redirect to make it clear that they are not the same near the top of the page

835:" would go after the move. If it redirects back to the American politician article, why bother with the move to a longer title? And if not, why create a dab page for only two articles ( 93:

Julian admits publicly he entered Stanford solely on the basis of a anti-white racially discriminatory and succeeded entering Law School solely as the beneficiary of Affirmative Action.

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can be reasonably assumed to be uncontroversial and done unilaterally - no discussion required (unless someone objects and reverts). But wait and see how this discussion goes, please. --

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However, if the accent mark is deemed by others (based on secondary sources) to be a critical integral part to the American politician's name (something not demonstrated so far), then I

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Sure it is recentism but also lots of people are searching for info in English about the American while few people care about the long dead guy and those that do likely speak spanish.

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I'm perfectly fine with a diacritic being the sole difference in the article name. I'm sure it's the case with other articles, though I can't think of one. It's a similar situation to

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in page views from disappointed readers who are looking for the presidential candidate but landing on the obscure, treasonous Venezuelan president's article, should seal the deal. -

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information about the campaign on his campaign page. It brings me no joy to merge articles (I'm very much an inclusionist), but this seems like an open and shut case for merging.

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His biographical article already covers his political positions in more detail than his presidential campaign article, so there's not very many bytes that would need to be moved.

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The presidential campaign article has only one sentence about the campaign itself, and it's a sentence about how his mother and his brother introduced him at his campaign launch.

4459: 2303:; ironically, the recent spike for the Venezuelan politician's article can be attributed to the American politician's announcement of a bid for President of the Untied States. – 361:

except that we might consider Julián Castro (mayor). I agree that we should use the version of the name with the accent, and that the Venezuelan president is primary meaning.

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is that it is perfectly acceptable as long as hatnotes are present. Furthermore these articles have existed under their current titles since 2005 without any problem noted.

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anonymous back-biting with strong skepticism. If we can find other people saying it besides an anonymous "Clinton ally" I would be more inclined to include it. --

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It's pretty clear that he uses it himself consistently. (I presume a main reason he uses it is so that people will call him Hoo-lee-AHN instead of JOO-lee-un.) --

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These are all recent articles though. We need to be sure it's been this way long term, and not just because his campaign has decided to included it in branding.

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as well as his official and personally preferred name (I'm slightly sceptical to that, seeing that he is a US politician, and I'd like to see that supported by

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I proposed that some years ago, but it turned out that he almost never used that formulation of his name, and he is not referred to that way in sources. --

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If you didn't mean Americans take precedence over Venezuelans because this is an English language project, then I misread your comment and will apologize.

747:. I'm not convinced that we should allow disambiguation by the diacritic alone, but we do, and so long as we do there's no problem with the current setup. 4039: 2655:

The discussion has been open for 12 days and the consensus is quite clear. I can't imagine that anyone would seriously object to completing the move per

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Disagree. I think that the information about the campaign on his bio should be moved to the campaign, which is an entirely seperate matter to his bio.

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I am listing this as a move proposal, but the real question to be decided here is: is this American politician the primary topic for the article title

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don't want to get into an edit war so I left it in place and I am bringing it here for discussion. Should this material be included in the article? --

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It is literally incorrect to omit the accent, as it is his name. Furthermore, it will keep articles consistent with accents like with his brother.

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Watching Castro during the convention last night, I noticed an accent on the "a" in his first name. Is that the accurate spelling of his name? –

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agreed above that contents should match his actual name, and updated the article accordingly. This should be consistent on other pages such as

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There's enough of a sense that the diacritic already distinguishes the articles appropriately that there's no consensus to move this article.

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The IPA transcription of his name starts with /j/, which in IPA stands for the sound that begins, for example, the English word yes. The link

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It seems clear that this is his "common name". Not only does he himself always use it, but so do a strong majority of current sources. --

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the hatnote at the top of both articles should get readers to the desired article and parenthetical disambiguation will not improve that.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140812084349/http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/news/2014/07/22/councilmemberssaygoodbyetomayorcastro.html

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Some sources seem to use it inconsistently, perhaps because of limitations on the typefaces or keyboards available to them: for example

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seemed to be that the current situation - where the two articles are differentiated only by the presence or absence of an accent mark,

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That does not benefit the readers of Knowledge (XXG), in my opinion. In any case, if we leave things as they are, that issue is moot.

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We can easily see the American is already the primary topic before he becomes a Presidential nominee - and he is already running.

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Change "He speaks Spanish," to "He started learning Spanish in 2016," per interviews Castro gave during the 2016 election cycle.

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biography, not for the one about the briefly serving Venezuelan president, it seems clear to me that this is the primary topic.

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Castro compared to the other Julian Castro are so overwhelming, it's literally 373,000 views versus somehow zero views.

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other discussants here, that the American is the primary topic, but there were a number of people in the discussion at

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article titles, like here, there must be hatnotes on each, but I'm not aware of any policy that says they can't exist.

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Long ago I corrected the IPA to , which is the pronunciation given in the Spanish Knowledge (XXG) article on the name

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Agreed. We don't know what's going on inside the Clinton camp, but her veep should be chosen in a day or two. –

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This Julián Castro is clearly the primary topic and the only proper move would be one that adds the diacritic.

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towards towards the United States. Happy to reconsider the latter when he becomes nominee or president. —

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Do we need a discussion as to whether the contents of pages should be "Julián Castro" regardless of title?

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creation. A better solution is to use a DAB hatnote on this article, after it is renamed Julián Castro.-

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That's because it's the best title for the page. I also participated in that discussion, by the way.

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I've already reverted that and I'll revert those changes on other articles, pending this discussion.

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expand it to beyond the size of a subsection, but right now his campaign article is an empty shell.

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Publicintegrity and buzzfeed still not suitable for BLP. Salon, politico still not suitable for BLP.

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When I Google for "julian castro -wikipedia -ballotpedia" (without diacritics), here's what I see:

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towards towards the United States. Happy to reconsider when he becomes nominee or president. —

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His campaign has never really gained any traction, and the campaign's article is rudimentary.

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that we should use the diacritic on his name in the text of this article, and will add it. --

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You are supporting a suggested move that was rejected last week - read the last discussion.

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Please be more specific about exactly what it is about my comment that you take issue with.

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CNN story uses it in the headline and the lead sentence, but not later in the article.

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the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. In addition,

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the living subject". I think DGUIDE makes a strong case for including the diacritic.

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for this topic dominate, so I think there is no question about primary topic here. --

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That was what I proposed (Julián Castro Contreras), but it did not get consensus. --

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surely the IPA should now claim the pronunciation is "yoo-lee-AHN" as it now does.

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Obviously we're going to be consistent and refer to him the same way as titles do.

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And even aside from that, the sources are border-line reliable. Not enough for BLP.

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Where are you getting this idea from that Joaquin's name should have a diacritic?

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It is overwhelmingly obvious that the Venezuelan Castro is not the primary topic.

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until it's shown reliable sources use "Julián Castro" more than "Julian Castro".

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Did you actually just write "a random mayor of a city known only by Americans",

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until it's shown reliable sources use "Julián Castro" more than "Julian Castro"

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case, we can always re-evaluate if the American politician wins the primary.

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to avoid superfluous parenthetical disambiguators, the dab should be

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should go ahead and perform the merge. Non-Administrative closure--

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its relevant, well cited, and does not violate anything on wp:blp.

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Yes it does - it's opinion pieces and cherry picked "criticism".

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with the About template pointing to the Venezuelan president.

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We follow sources. — 3135:Julián Castro 2020 presidential campaign 3131:Julian Castro 2020 presidential campaign 3011:Julian Castro 2020 presidential campaign 2958:Julián Castro 2020 presidential campaign 2954:Julian Castro 2020 presidential campaign 2825:at this time, per the discussion below. 1144: 4028:and its pictures of his campaign signs. 4497:Agree to merging of article(s) as per 4282:and preferred spelling of his name. -- 3407: 3398: 3394: 3390: 3309:Most current English-language sources 1200:2602:304:B225:4839:5955:D904:DE2D:2BD6 1186:2602:304:B225:4839:5955:D904:DE2D:2BD6 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4217:preference of the living subject". -- 4214:the archive of Obama's whitehouse.gov 3742:should be a disambiguation page, and 3053:What was the reason for your revert, 1891:Julián Castro (Venezuelan politician) 508:for the other - is not acceptable. -- 7: 4526:The following discussion is closed. 2810:The result of the move request was: 2641:(yes, even though I started it). -- 2594:Julián Castro (Venezuelan president) 2531:Julián Castro (Venezuelan president) 1645:Julián Castro (Venezuelan president) 1598:The result of the move request was: 1503:The result of the move request was: 303:The result of the move request was: 3905:Julián Castro (American politician) 3880:Julián Castro (American politician) 3812:. No-one is suggesting that he is. 3736:Julián Castro (American politician) 3668:Julián Castro (American politician) 3531:Julián Castro (American politician) 3435:https://www.julianforthefuture.com/ 3260:Julián Castro (American politician) 2823:Julián Castro (American politician) 2712:. In other words, the DAB page was 2608:Julián Castro (American politician) 2377:Julián Castro (American politician) 2346:Julián Castro (American politician) 2283:Julián Castro (American politician) 1653:Julián Castro (American politician) 1649:Julián Castro (American politician) 1631:– This article is currently titled 1628:Julián Castro (American politician) 1571:Julián Castro (American politician) 332:Julián Castro (American politician) 3948:The 2020 contenders: Julián Castro 24: 2922:(regarding it as unnecessary per 2714:bold (and somewhat opportunistic) 1372:. Please take a moment to review 1262:. Please take a moment to review 1145:Castro's ability to speak Spanish 337:Talk:Julián Castro#Requested move 260:Talk:Julián Castro#Requested move 4793:The discussion above is closed. 4450: 4402: 4047:slightly different Google search 29: 3329:as per the GOOGLETEST below. -- 2867:) 20:51, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 2477:article they're looking for. -- 1394:Corrected formatting/usage for 2928:Julián Castro (disambiguation) 2847:Julián Castro (disambiguation) 2784:Requested move 24 January 2019 2120:2016 Democratix VP sweepstakes 1477:Requested move 12 January 2019 966:Relationship with Fidel Castro 669:for the Venezuelan president. 197:22:55, 15 September 2012 (UTC) 176:21:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC) 147:22:58, 15 September 2012 (UTC) 133:22:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC) 109:21:26, 15 September 2012 (UTC) 1: 4651:14:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC) 4621:15:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC) 4597:11:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC) 4583:15:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC) 4568:15:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC) 4472:18:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC) 4445:02:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC) 4390:17:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC) 3942:Julián Castro (@JulianCastro) 3461:it's how HE spells his name. 1169:Sounds too weakly sourced. – 846:the move with a redirect of " 184:independent, reliable sources 84:15:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC) 4357:01:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC) 4330:19:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC) 4292:01:03, 26 January 2019 (UTC) 4277:00:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC) 4263:23:33, 25 January 2019 (UTC) 4248:23:19, 25 January 2019 (UTC) 4227:22:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC) 4204:22:02, 25 January 2019 (UTC) 4188:18:42, 25 January 2019 (UTC) 4146:03:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC) 4127:23:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 4112:23:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 4094:23:47, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 4071:23:40, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 4014:23:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 3999:23:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC) 3916:12:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC) 3892:14:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC) 3871:01:25, 6 February 2019 (UTC) 3838:15:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC) 3822:01:22, 29 January 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(UTC) 1539:06:21, 12 January 2019 (UTC) 1517:06:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC) 1472:05:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC) 1356:11:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC) 570:don't think it's necessary. 335:– Per apparent consensus at 248:15:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC) 228:18:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC) 4786:18:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC) 4772:15:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC) 4748:14:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC) 4723:15:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC) 4696:03:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC) 4668:21:32, 1 January 2020 (UTC) 4519:06:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC) 4429:to reactivate your request. 4417:has been answered. Set the 4117:irrelevant". Seriously? -- 3907:, along with a dab page at 2914:(without the diacritic) to 2299:. The Venezuelan politican 254:Discussion of possible move 4812: 3783:this college soccer player 1435:(last update: 5 June 2024) 1365:Hello fellow Wikipedians, 1319:(last update: 5 June 2024) 1255:Hello fellow Wikipedians, 4309:(Original Research alert) 2053:a hundred fold difference 1241:22:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC) 1227:22:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC) 1208:21:41, 21 July 2016 (UTC) 1179:21:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC) 1164:21:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC) 1140:02:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC) 1120:02:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC) 1106:02:25, 19 July 2016 (UTC) 1091:01:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC) 1072:04:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC) 1058:04:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC) 1043:03:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC) 780:You might be thinking of 258:There is a discussion at 4795:Please do not modify it. 4528:Please do not modify it. 4369:Please do not modify it. 3901:Support move with accent 2798:Please do not modify it. 2767:Please do not modify it. 2673:"moving this article to 2610:as I initially proposed. 2537:should be a redirect to 1586:Please do not modify it. 1552:Please do not modify it. 1491:Please do not modify it. 1017:17:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC) 999:11:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC) 985:No. No one is confused. 980:11:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC) 952:Please do not modify it. 935:01:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC) 920:22:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC) 907:and his Twitter account. 892:22:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC) 869:12:28, 30 May 2014 (UTC) 802:01:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC) 776:03:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC) 757:02:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC) 738:00:35, 26 May 2014 (UTC) 715:12:28, 30 May 2014 (UTC) 698:13:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 680:11:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 608:06:29, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 594:05:41, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 580:04:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 560:00:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 536:04:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC) 518:20:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 488:20:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 471:05:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 447:01:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 421:00:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 394:00:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 371:23:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC) 353:23:23, 18 May 2014 (UTC) 320:19:15, 2 June 2014 (UTC) 291:Please do not modify it. 4208:I think his listing on 4038:In a similar search at 3746:should redirect to it. 2055:. If nothing else, the 1986:Spanish Knowledge (XXG) 1982:English Knowledge (XXG) 1909:Julián Castro Contreras 1361:External links modified 1251:External links modified 1151:special purpose account 667:Julián Castro Contreras 429:your original wording. 272:00:27, 3 May 2014 (UTC) 203:IPA pronunciation guide 4385:I support the merger. 4031:Looking at the latest 2926:), or else move it to 1963:it's an encyclopedia. 1885:and move this page to 1707:- This subject is the 901:his personal webpage, 407:, except article says 4235:and his Twitter page 405:Julián Castro (mayor) 42:of past discussions. 4307:, do not. I suspect 3536:San Jose, California 2816:no consensus to move 2812:no consensus to move 2592:, has been moved to 1639:. Per discussion at 1416:regular verification 1300:regular verification 546:verbatim, plus also 4460:Dallas Morning News 4161:, specifically the 1406:After February 2018 1290:After February 2018 657:sources), then per 498:Talk: Julián Castro 4529: 4176:User:Onetwothreeip 4020:similar to mine.) 3938:-Houston Chronicle 3927:GOOGLETEST results 2737:P.S. 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