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Okanagan Nation's own, and/or any of its sub-flags for each of its groups. I'll ref this to the indigenous peoples' wikiproject for further comment as I think it's important and, if I'm right, nipped in the bud. I know many BC First Nations would REALLY not like to have the Maple Leafe on pages about THEM, let's put it that way.
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