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made why the Turdalieva book isn't as bad as it seems, but this is indeed irrelevant due to the fundamental issues with the Este.kg and the Proza.ru sources (which, again just for the record, seemed legitimate at first glace; the language barrier played a role with those), which make up a core chunk of the article. While this content likely exists somewhere, it is more than likely in Russian or Kyrgyz language books, such as those listed in the Further reading section, which as a non-speaker are almost entirely inaccessible. Concur with
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meant to make it into the final form of this article; I was only utilizing it while in draftspace as a substitute for a different source which included the same material but was much more inaccessible due to language, and I forgot to replace it when I was finished. I think there are arguments to be
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Now, I recall hazily about coming across a book of literary criticism by an eponymous author who was academically qualified but too embedded within the state (diplomat - ?) to be of any value. Is he our author? In that case, I have to dig
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I do not spot any wild inaccuracies and/or issues of POV. It will take a few days for me to go through the article slowly; I am acquianted with C. Asian history (see u/p) and might propose usage of better sources etc.
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It has been cited about a couple of times since publication (~6 years), and was intended as a high-school text. Quite true to the purpose, there is a bibliography but no practice of in-text citation.
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The Kyrgyz Republic, having gained independence, gave an opportunity to its citizens, regardless of ethnicity, to immigrate to any country and obtain citizenship. Kyrgyzstan, however, is the
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for its sons and daughters living in all parts of the world. The Constitution of the Kyrgyz Republic contains a provision that the state
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However, Ormon's father, Niyazbek, is said to have made "little impression on Sarybagysh memory" besides being the father of Ormon
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Readying my draft response; ordered for a couple of books, that led to the delay. Will post my first comments tomorrow!
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is a collection of student essays, which can be submitted via registration. There is no peer-review. SPS applies.
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I am afraid that this is a quick-fail (Criteria 2b). However, I will wait for comments from the nominator.
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At 25, around the year 1816, Ormon had risen to become the chief of the Sarybagysh tribe.
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attributed in the source; his dates are often wrong. See Prior; p. 106 for an example.
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and standards of teaching the subject in educational institutions of Kyrgyzstan.
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But, on the overall, I expect to pass this article without much fuss
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by the Ministry of Education and Science of the Kyrgyz Republic.
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Turdalieva (2016) is, what I call, state-sponsored histories.
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defends the interests of its citizens, even those overseas.
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is unsourced and in Russian: probably better to remove it.
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Ormon's reign saw a centralization of the Kyrgyz tribes
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