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Buddhist country--a religion predicated upon tolerance. Hence why the country is synonymous for transsexuals or "ladyboys". That is, transgender people are accepted by the greater society. That's not to say discrimination does not exist, for it does. But most of it is of the 'passive' variety (e.g., preference given to non TG people in employment, intra-family discord). But to say homosexuality is "illegal" in Thailand, much less Pattaya, is erroneous in the extreme. It's not Saudi Arabia!
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I suggest that this language be changed to "Transgender people are notably visible in Thai society and frequently work in popular entertainment, television shows and nightclub performances..." This language is a bit more empowering, especially because it uses an active verb. It also expands on the
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Believe me when I say both that I understand you, and I'd march beside you in a place that was about advocating for trans rights. This is not that place. To be blunt about it: we don't attempt to be especially empowering, or humanizing, or respectful here towards a particular group more than any
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