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4245:#565 and moved it to the correct place to support only what the reference states, and have introduced a separate reference to support the stations covered by "LONDON S.R.". Finally, to explain the apparent inconsistency between the creation of the wider "LONDON BR" designation in 1983 and the use of a 1984 reference to support "LONDON S.R.", I have added a hidden note to say that the two designations did indeed exist alongside each other for that year only. I'm almost certain that this is because ticket stock preprinted with "LONDON S.R." still had to be used up during 1984.
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lists and categories as original research when no objective criteria exist. I am still unsure as to the purpose of this page, and I believe someone above added a similar comment. I don't think that "London railway station" is a probable search term (under 1900 Ghits, most to things like "a north London railway station" or "a London railway station near XYZ"). Further, it is basically agreed that the current location is a negative topic - all there is to say about the title is that it doesn't represent anything in the real world. Thus we don't have
4337:#92 (January 2006): "The following stations are grouped together with common prices for travel to/from any station in the group. Tickets issued to or from station groups listed below are available at any associated station in the group tickets are issued to and from the named station group." (All the station groups and their component stations are then listed, including London. Other Fares Manuals have similar text.) The article is not just concerned with ticket-related matters, though, so I'm not sure what the best name should be.
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from the south on just a "London" ticket (sort of a terminus on a through line) as well as the successor station to a terminus. Certainly a definition based on "what a ticket to 'London' runs to" seems to be the only way to get a clear list that doesn't involve pretending we can easily define "central London".
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for the full list of stations to which a LONDON TERMINALS ticket is valid. Pre-privatisation, the description "LONDON BR" (and subsequently "LONDON BRIT RAIL") was used to signify the London group. New wording had to be introduced after privatisation, and it was felt that the least ambiguous option
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No, it's because the figures are deeply misleading. They are actually "tickets for journeys allocated to these stations" and both the station groups and travelcards seriously distort things because almost no ticket sales are actually allocated to
Moorgate (also most of it being a TfL station confuses
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Just to reiterate, I prodded this page because I don't think the discussion is headed towards determining any objective criteria for inclusion in the article, or objective criteria as to what constitutes a "major London railway station", or even "central London". This parallels the tendency to delete
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I couldn't find any reason why the statistics source was retrieved in
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I just looked at 'what links here' for this page and followed the link to/from Kew Bridge station (just chosen at random as a London railway station). I found that this page is linked from a template. Having discovered this, it should help clarify what this page is about, what it should be used for,
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as a name? At least that has some basis in reality on the ground, as that's what appears on your ticket when you ask for a ticket "to London Bridge" or "to
Charing Cross", regardless of whether they are termini or not. Working out which stations are covered by London Terminals is another matter...
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I think everyone is missing the point here. Until you can pin-down what this article is really supposed to be about, you will never be able to come up with a sufficiently precise title. So, if it is listing the terminus railway stations in London, the title needs to say as much; if it is addressing
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says "a general rule is to give precisions approximately one tenth the size of the object". A typical London terminal station platform can accommodate trains of ten coaches (often more, sometimes less); a typical
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This article, pointlessly stuffed with a gallery of pictures which should be each in its own station's article and not here, does list the group's stations but fails to explain the Group concept. It has a link to that's article which, separate from its list of groups, has "London Group" saying see
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then I won't press the issue (much), but as someone who has never been to London, I'm not really sure how this title helps define the scope. "London station group" is a neologism - zero Google hits outside of
Knowledge (XXG) - and I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean. It's fine to object to my
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So you suggest that this page should be renamed "Major railway stations of London" (or "...in London")? That will not address the issue of 'London' appearing on a railway ticket as the destination (as discussed above). You also have the problem of defining what is meant by 'major' in this context:
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So you feel then that stations that were utilised for most of their existence as a goods terminal and goods sidings should be included on this list/template? While I recognise that
Bishopsgate may have continued to be used by passenger trains after the opening of Liverpool Street, the fact is that
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explanation of how the station groups work for ticketting purposes, especially in London where the rules are more complex than normal (for instance I, living in Forest Gate, can buy a ticket to "London terminals" but that doesn't allow me to change at Stratford and go traipsing about on the North
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For resolve all the discussions above, we need to clear this. Is it about a station stated "LONDON TERMINALS" on the ticket? About a station having terminal platform? a station on zone1? Or does it mean a station for which trains are bound as the final stop/destination? For me, Blackfriars, City
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is, as per National Fares Manuals and ticket issuing systems, for pretty much every station in Britain (other than the "group stations" themselves). It would also look unwieldy and would be difficult to format, as many stations have several London group stations that are "legal". For example,
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Please - in (all) North to South meassurement, awnsers one degree 40.000.000 meters (the length of the Equator) divided by 360 = 11 111 meters. A tenth degree equals 1 111.111 meters , a 1/100 degree = 111.11 meters and 1/1000 of a degree (N-S) = 11.11 meters. Even worse are the longitudes (or
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Why these stations on the zone1 are ignored? According to the article, it has to be because they are not rendered on tickets as "London Terminals." Or are they? It needs to be cleared. How about any other stations outside of zone1? First of all, what's the definition of "London Station Group"?
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I'd always thought this article was mainly a convenience for people unfamiliar with London, who wanted to know where "London railway station" was ... they'd be directed to a set of stations to choose from. Applying the same logic, I though I'd find out where the following directed me to:
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While the name of the page is fine, I do think it should only feature the London terminal stations - on rail tickets, the destination is always given as "London Terminals" for those stations, but for other stations (Clapham Junction, King's Cross TL etc), the individual station is given.
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So, the issue we're dealing with is larger than merely this article, I think. I'd opine that such pages should be thought of as disambiguation pages, providing a relatively simple table of links (and possibly a map) of the stations which have a competing claim to be XXX railway station.
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No. The article does not list all the railway stations in central London (for any definition of that) so that is out and they are not all terminuses so that is out. The current naming does the job. Buy a ticket to "London" in the UK and it will be valid to at least one of these.
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I don't think that a unilateral deletion of this article helps. Better to work out what we are going to do with it. Pointing people at List of London railway stations is a far from clever substitute; how would that article assist a person looking for London railway station?
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is presenting one clear definition, at least within the relevant field, it would be unwise to use "Central London" for article titles where the scope is disputed. Implying consistency of terminology when the main article lacks it is going to cause problems
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be one of the busiest stations in London, hence 'major'? So, to be really clear you'd need to rename it "Major overground railway stations in London", which is fine until CrossRail is built... or "Major overground terminus railway stations in London". --
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I've tried to amend the reference list as per the usual Knowledge (XXG) style for quoting journal articles. Unfortunately, I don't know the name of the article in the Journal of the Transport Ticket Society (ref 1), and so the current reference starts
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as a precluding factor. The stations in question both continued to operate after their âreplacementsâ opened, so were not simply resited versions of the same station. In the case of Bishopsgate it was adapted and some trains called at both stations.
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Wouldn't it make more sense if this article only included the London Terminuses. No one seems to have any idea what this article is about and you could easily include every national rail station within Zones 1 and 2 or even within greater London.
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this represents a precision of 110 m. The linked articles on the individual stations mostly have coordinates to four decimal places, or 11 m. Reducing this precision by one order of magnitude for use in the table was done primarily to save space.
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Oops just seen this. "London railway station group" is probably best as the station group concept predates National Rail (and several were abolished in the days of British Rail so if they ever get articles a single name form will be available).
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Good point as there are multiple. Not necessarily within Zone 1. I'm not sure which meaning would be used but i suppose that one which could be used would be those within the Inner Ring Road? Probably this should be defined here as well.
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I considered this but it wouldn't add much really and would probably be information overload, probably more suited to a travel guide. All you need to know in this article is that all stations are connected via the Undeground.
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It seems to be confusing lots of people over whether there has been a central London station. As there are multiple and haven't really ever been just the one, it seems fitting to move this to a more appropriate title.
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I suppose if no one opposes the current title and no one can think of any better titles, we'll just stick with the current title as it does make sense and is in line with the content of the article.
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Get's my vote too! PRODding is not appropriate, but a re-write along the lines suggested by Timrollpickering would appear to resolve both problems: the purpose of the article, and its name. --
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I saw a comment above about creating "a listing of all stations for which London is a valid destination, with notes as to what direction". Unfortunately this would not really be possible, as
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7 metres can be the difference between marking the station and marking the road outside the station. I prefer precision to your rather confused suggestion for arbitrary restriction on dp. --
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I'd be content with that solution, with a redirect of this article to that one. (Measuring google hits to assess the likelihood of someone searching for the article has little validity.) --
3006:. I like the idea of using this page as a DAB page for the 'London terminal stations'. Any page referring to the confusion of what is meant by 'London station' should be redirected to the
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I think the table should be put back into one. London Bridge and Blackfriars both have through and terminal platforms, it seems putting them in a "terminals" section is a bit misleading.
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I would say Farringdon and Waterloo East are pretty major if you have a look at the number of people who use the station plus Waterloo East is connected to Waterloo main station.
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There is no central London railway station called London Central, nor there ever was. However, there was a station in the past under the name of Central in the Docklands. See
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What about "London stations group" or something? That would be clearly anchor the article to "stations to which tickets for 'London' are sold", if we can get a clear wording.
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Is there much point for this section, since the stations are listed again an inch further down the page in the station statistics section? Couldn't these sections be merged?
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Oh dear. Extrapolating from "the central line's a faster way of getting there". Resigns trains & all that & goes back to seventeenth century obscure theologians... --
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Except that Thameslink means some of the stations are not terminuses, including London Bridge, whilst some through stations have replaced terminuses - Holborn Viaduct -: -->
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Great article. The table could be expanded to show which tube lines serve which mainline stations, if this didn't cause width problems, and if someone felt like doing it. --
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Am working on this at the moment to clarify, but I need to find suitable sources. (Farringdon and E&C are definitely never rendered as LONDON TERMINALS on tickets.)
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