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is a column vector of the partial derivative operators, so should be always emboldened if we are doing that to vectors, even though as an operator βˆ‡β€’ returns a scalar. Either way, this is not confusing, as the symbols are just grungy shorthand notation, and what they mean is obvious and unambiguous.
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There is a tendency for physicists to use \nabla^2 and mathematicians to use \Delta (a tendency only, I've seen counterexamples on both sides). I think people should be aware that there are two different notations, and it's reasonable for the article to be neutral about the choice, but I think it's
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Knowledge has any standard on this? We see the triangle up a lot (an instance this very page) but the triangle down squared is also there (wave equation, for example). I like the triangle squared, and have a particular dislike for the box representing dalembertian (notably absent in wave equation)
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is just a vector of operators, and βˆ‡ really is that squared, the appropriate product (vector dot product). The author of your link gets a bit attached to his idea of thinking of his notation for operators in terms of what they return, not what they are themselves. So, he states that βˆ‡β€’ is "never"
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shouldn't really be its own article. The Laplacian on scalars (as originally defined and as described here) is essentially the same as on vectors, just what we apply it to is different. It feels natural to me that we should have one article to represent the Laplacian as a single concept, which
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notation universally used for Laplacian is, it seems to me unfortunate, since it is neither the square of anything nor a function composited with itself. I think a really good aside on this anomalous notation is here:
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of those among its eigenvalues that satisfy the special condition described by the phrase "for which there is a corresponding eigenfunction ...".
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Something seems to be missing here: "... the wave equation describes wave propagation, and the SchrΓΆdinger equation in quantum mechanics."
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unnecessarily confusing how the article seems to randomly jump back and forth between the two notations.
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But it does not belong as the first thing that this article says about the definition of the Laplacian
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So there should be, at least, a hint that the definition is used but not necessarily correct.
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Give an explanation of what the Laplacian actually is and/or does in the introduction.
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Although heavily used by physicists the notion is misleading, not to say wrong: On a
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It's not that bad really; no worse than anything else the physicists come up with.
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Of course, this definition filters though to the case of the special manifold
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This may be fun notation to serve as a mnemonic for the Laplacian operator.
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is compared to this one. It would be no great addition to merge the contents.
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You can add a footnote if you want, but I can't see a particular need.β€”
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Because of how it is written, it sounds as if the spectrum consists
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Add a reference explaining the confusing (but universally used)
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there is no operator that can be applied twice to the function
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Quick example of the Laplacian operator on a simple function
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applies equally to scalars and vectors (and tensors, too).
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Regardless of the attempt to justify this at the end, the
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where the latter notations derive from formally writing:
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More precisely, this means for any orthonormal basis
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of the Hessian. For any smooth function (zero-form)
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